Tiger Cup

Discussion in 'Asian Football Confederation' started by mcruic, Nov 22, 2004.

  1. mcruic

    mcruic Member

    Jun 26, 2004
    Scotland
    Club:
    Dundee United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Who do you think will win the Tiger Cup this year?
    Do you think we can see a challenge to the traditional semi-final line up of Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam & Malaysia? How do you think Timor-Leste (East Timor) will fare in their first tournament?

    Schedule
    10 teams to participate, Brunei withdrew

    GROUP A in VIETNAM
    07/12/2004 - Indonesia - Laos
    07/12/2004 - Vietnam - Singapore
    09/12/2004 - Indonesia - Singapore
    09/12/2004 - Vietnam - Cambodia
    11/12/2004 - Cambodia - Laos
    11/12/2004 - Vietnam - Indonesia
    13/12/2004 - Cambodia - Indonesia
    13/12/2004 - Laos - Singapore
    15/12/2004 - Cambodia - Singapore
    15/12/2004 - Vietnam - Laos

    GROUP B in MALAYSIA
    08/12/2004 - Malaysia - Timor-Leste
    08/12/2004 - Myanmar - Philippines
    10/12/2004 - Malaysia - Philippines
    10/12/2004 - Myanmar - Thailand
    12/12/2004 - Malaysia - Myanmar
    12/12/2004 - Thailand - Timor-Leste
    14/12/2004 - Malaysia - Thailand
    14/12/2004 - Philippines - Timor-Leste
    16/12/2004 - Myanmar - Timor-Leste
    16/12/2004 - Philippines - Thailand

    SEMI-FINALS
    1ST LEGS

    29/12/2004 - Winner Group A - Runner-up Group B
    30/12/2004 - Winner Group B - Runner-up Group A

    2ND LEGS
    02/01/2005 - Runner-up Group B - Winner group A
    03/01/2005 - Runner-up Group A - Winner Group B

    3RD PLACE MATCH
    to be played in same venue as 2nd leg of Final
    15/01/2005 - Loser Semi-Final 1 - Loser Semi-Final 2

    FINAL
    1ST LEG

    08/01/2005 - Winner Semi-Final 1 - Winner Semi-Final 2

    2ND LEG
    15/01/2005 - Winner Semi-Final 2 - Winner Semi-Final 1
     
  2. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    I dunno, nothing's really changed soccer-wise in the Philippines, has it? Activity for the national team still hovers around zero, right? (sorry, just griping) Don't know about Myanmar, but if going by the rankings they won't make any headway against Thailand or Malaysia.
     
  3. mcruic

    mcruic Member

    Jun 26, 2004
    Scotland
    Club:
    Dundee United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Maybe true. Actually, I can see Philippines losing all 4 games, including against Timor. But it would be nice to see a turnaround in fortunes, just for a change.
     
  4. tato_Top

    tato_Top Member

    Jul 9, 2002
    Auckland,NZ
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Indonesia
    this year is gonna be great...i hope indonesia can win this tournament especially after peter withe take charge the team playing very different football...one to watch is indonesian new young striker 18 years old...his name is Boaz Sallosa...he played with indonesia u-20 asian cup in malaysia a few months ago.now he is in the senior team.

    i think the big surprise will come from timor leste..
     
  5. ilbaasha

    ilbaasha New Member

    Oct 27, 2004
    Kuwait City
    my bet's on Thailand to win.

    But since this is the first time I will try to follow the Tiger cup, I will support Singapore. I have seen them during the ACQ2004 and the WCQ2006 and think they are quite a good team. So I will be cheering them :)

    can someone tell us a breif history about the competition? Thank you in advance
     
  6. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    The Tiger Cup is held between ASEAN nations every two years since 1996 (as far as I can tell), and either by coincidence or (lack of) design, these nations represent the lower tier of Asian soccer. In actuality, the top four nations that mcruic named are so far above the rest of the field that, except for 1998 (Singapore, as a co-host, made the semis), the lesser nations are free points to the group leaders and eventually cannibalize each other in the end.

    I only follow the Philippines as an ethnic attachment, and the only television I've ever seen of the Tiger Cup is/was on Football Asia.

    Most of the information I get is from http://www.aseanfootball.info/
     
  7. happy

    happy Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    In 1998 Singapore did not co-host or just reached the semi-final. Vietnam was the host & Singapore won the Tiger Cup against Host Vietnam 1-0 in the Final

    Also it is not by lack of design, ASEAN as a name was meant to consist the entire 11 SEA (South East Asia) nations & it was a political grouping when first started in 1967. Today ASEAN is generally taken as the name for SEA
     
  8. happy

    happy Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    Tiger Cup was started in 1996 as Roehl Sybing written, the same year AFF (ASEAN Football Federation) was formed. AFF was formed to improve ASEAN football as at that time with countries like Laos, Camboida & Myanmar etc just re-joining the football scene so there was a need for centralize group to help everybody.

    Before the Tiger Cup the SEA Games was the unoffical ASEAN Champion but there were problems with the SEA Games arrangement as whenever it was Philippines turn to host it they were 'unwilling' to include football in the Games. Also at that time with AFC wanting to turn SEA Games into U23 competition so the birth of the Tiger Cup

    At first, it was meant to be called ASEAN Championship but the promise of generous sponsorship from Tiger Beer for as long as the competition is held lead AFF to reward them by calling it Tiger Cup.

    Thailand have won 3 out of 4 editions (1996, 2000 & 2002) with Singapore once (1998)

    Countries that host the Tiger Cup - Singapore (1996), Vietnam (1998), Thailand (2000) & Indonesia & Singapore (2002)
     
  9. happy

    happy Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    Ok got what U meant & Thanks
     
  10. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    My apologies, I misread the website (only followed the '00 and '02 editions). It notes one of the venues as Singapore - must have been a qualifying round.

    But as for the design remark, this is what I said:
    Welcome to BS.
     
  11. ilbaasha

    ilbaasha New Member

    Oct 27, 2004
    Kuwait City
  12. mcruic

    mcruic Member

    Jun 26, 2004
    Scotland
    Club:
    Dundee United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    History Of Tiger Cup

    2002 Tiger Cup in Indonesia & Singapore
    1 Thailand
    2 Indonesia
    3 Vietnam
    4 Malaysia

    2000 Tiger Cup in Thailand
    1 Thailand
    2 Indonesia
    3 Malaysia
    4 Vietnam

    1998 Tiger Cup in Vietnam
    1 Singapore
    2 Vietnam
    3 Indonesia
    4 Thailand

    1996 Tiger Cup in Singapore
    1 Thailand
    2 Malaysia
    3 Vietnam
    4 Indonesia

    COMPLETE RECORDS OF COUNTRIES IN TIGER CUP 1996-2002

    Thailand
    Played 21, Won 14, Drawn 5, Lost 2, Goals For 56, Goals Against 23, Percentage 78.6

    Best Win - 6-0 v Brunei, 1996
    Worst Defeat - 0-3 v Vietnam, 1998

    Singapore
    Played 18, Won 11, Drawn 3, Lost 4, Goasl For 27, Goasl Agasint 12, Percentage 69.4

    Best Win - 4-1 v Laos, 1998 3-0 v Brunei & 3-0 v Philippines, both in 1996, 3-0 v Cambodia & 3-0 v Laos, both in 2000
    Worst Defeat - 0-4 v Malaysia, 2002

    Vietnam
    Played 23, Won 13, Drawn 5, Lost 5, Goals for 57, Goasl Against 30, Percentage 67.4

    Best Win - 9-2 v Cambodia, 2002
    Worst Defeat - 0-4 v Thailand, 2002

    Indonesia
    Played 22, Won 11, Drawn 5, Lost 6, Goals For 68, Goals Against 36, Percentage 61.4

    Best Win - 13-1 v Philippines, 2002
    Worst Defeat - 1-4 v Thailand (twice), both in 2000

    Malaysia
    Played 20, Won 9, Drawn 5, Lost 6, Goals For 39, Goals Against 16, Percentage 57.5

    Best Win - 7-0 v Philippines, 1996
    Worst Defeat - 0-2 v Singapore, 1998, 0-2 v Thailand, 2000

    Myanmar
    Played 16, Won 8, Drawn 2, Lost 6, Goals For 43, Goals Against 35, Percentage 56.3

    Best Win - 6-1 v Philippines & 5-0 v Cambodia, both in 2002, 5-0 v Cambodia, 1996
    Worst Defeat - 1-6 v Indonesia, 1996, 0-5 v Indonesia, 2000

    Laos
    Played 16, Won 2, Drawn 3, Lost 11, Goals For 12, Goals Against 46,
    Percentage 21.9

    Best Win - 2-1 v Brunei, 1998, 1-0 v Cambodia, 1996
    Worst Defeat - 0-5 v Vietnam & 0-5 v Malaysia, both in 2000

    Cambodia
    Played 14, Won 2, Drawn 1, Lost 11, Goals For 12, Goals Against 44, Percentage 17.9

    Best Win - 3-0 v Laos, 2000
    Worst Defeat - 2-9 v Vietnam, 2002

    Brunei
    Played 6, Won 1, Drawn 0, Lost 5, Goals For 3, Goals Against 21, Percentage 16.7

    Best Win - 1-0 v Philippines, 1996
    Worst Defeat - 0-6 v Thailand & 0-6 v Malaysia, both in 1996

    Philippines
    Played 16, Won 0, Drawn 1, Lost 15, Goals For 7, Goals Against 61, Percentage 3.1

    Best Win - None to date
    Worst Defeat - 1-13 v Indonesia, 2002

    Timor-Leste
    Have not played yet

    The most striking thing to notice here is the difference between the top 6 countries and the bottom 4. Brunei's only win came in 1996 (1-0 against Philippines, who else?) and Philippines's single match which didn't end in defeat was a 1-1 draw with Cambodia in the 1998 Qualifying Tournament in Singapore (the only tournament which has used a pre-qualifier).
     
  13. ilbaasha

    ilbaasha New Member

    Oct 27, 2004
    Kuwait City
    Re: History Of Tiger Cup


    mate, that's an amazing effort

    thank you very much indeed
     
  14. happy

    happy Member

    Nov 23, 2004
  15. vestergaard

    vestergaard Member

    Oct 21, 2004
    @ilbaasha: Thanks for supporting Singapore! I hope we won't disappoint you. ^_^;;
    Also good luck to Kuwait in the Gulf Cup! I have always kinda liked Kuwait (since 2002 Arab Cup).

    ---

    Check out Timor Leste's profile from the official website. Interesting!
     
  16. timor fan

    timor fan New Member

    May 28, 2004
    Lisboa - Portugal
    Hey guys ... Timor Leste will definetly have a word to say in this Tiger Cup.

    It is a very unexperienced squad but very talented.
    The Head Coach - JOSE LUIS - was a great player with Portuguese powerhouse SL Benfica and also the Portugal National Team.

    They also have soem experienced players.
    One defender that plays in Portugal's 2nd Division after being in USA and Italy and 2 other that plays in Australia state leagues.

    The talent pool is still alive ... was left by the Portuguese colonization.

    Top 3 in the group phase thats my bet ...
     
  17. ttmmkk001

    ttmmkk001 BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 29, 2004
    any internet webcast for tiger cup?
     
  18. happy

    happy Member

    Nov 23, 2004
  19. happy

    happy Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    After Round 1

    Group A
    Vietnam 1-1 Singapore
    Indonesia 6-0 Laos

    Group B
    Malaysia 5-0 Timor Leste
    Myanmar 1-0 Philippines
     
  20. ilbaasha

    ilbaasha New Member

    Oct 27, 2004
    Kuwait City
    I am still cheering for Singapore despite the loss of two important points... I hope we can get all points in our next match.

    Go on Singapore
     
  21. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    The article sounded like the Philippines was closer to a win than it has been for years.
     
  22. happy

    happy Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    More like their 2 ever point as Philippines was defending more than attacking but still fall short with a late goal by Myanmar
     
  23. happy

    happy Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    After Round 2

    Group A
    Vietnam 1-1 Singapore
    Indonesia 6-0 Laos

    Indonesia 0-0 Singapore
    Vietnam 9-1 Cambodia

    Group B
    Malaysia 5-0 Timor Leste
    Myanmar 1-0 Philippines

    Malaysia 4-1 Philippines
    Thailand 1-1 Myanmar
     
  24. timor fan

    timor fan New Member

    May 28, 2004
    Lisboa - Portugal
    Did any of you watch Malaysia-Timor Leste ?

    Considering the inexperienced squad ... what do u think of Numbers 16, 9 and 10 ?

    The Thailand game will be a tough one ... i just hope that they can have a decent result ...
     
  25. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    Please tell me you watched it online. I would love to see other/some/any Tiger Cup matches and/or highlights.
     

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