They Needed a Minivan but Got a Gio: Reyna at Borussia Dortmund

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  1. NietzscheIsDead

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    Musah is clearly a more accomplished player and has had a better career for both club and country to this point.
     
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  2. NietzscheIsDead

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    #14227 NietzscheIsDead, Jul 25, 2024
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    Yes, in the World Cup, before it, after it, for club, for country, Musah has been a higher level player and performer.

    Musah and Reynas careers have been going in two different directions for 4 years now. Musah is on a steady climb, Reyna has gone from rapid descent to nosedive.

    These two trajectories have their own milestones. Reynas milestones have been heavily negative while Musahs have been mostly positive. Ignoring these milestones is foolish.
     
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  3. ChrisSSBB

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    Nah, I suspect he’d do well at PSV but I don’t know if it would advance him as a player.
     
  4. NietzscheIsDead

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    Given his lack of production and lack of trust with his last several coaches, I don't think he will get the benefit of the doubt for a team who is doing as well as PSV. The risk of disruption is too great. Not to mention that I doubt Earnie Stewart wants anything to do with the Reynas.
     
  5. Khan

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    I'll disagree, and here's why:

    1. IF he can cease being a china doll/be healthy, and take care of his body, and be AVAILable, and
    2. IF he can learn to "play nice with others," and
    3. IF he can learn to shut his piehole on social media, and
    4. IF he can learn to respect his employer's customers, and
    5. IF he can get his mommy and daddy to shut their pieholes to his employers, and
    6. IF he can learn how to use/access his talents/abilities,

    then, he can recuperate his image, and place himself into the "shop window" to go somewhere else. I certainly hope he can, but in now half a decade, we haven't seen him master the very rudimentary abilities necessary for him to be a "big boy" professional.
     
  6. Cris 09

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    Nov 30, 2004
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    He will need to sacrifice this round of transfer and take the best option he can get. It may not be the club he wants or or believes he deserves but that is where he is at. He will probably have limited choices.

    BUT! He then can use this as a stepping stone to a better club and so on. He's young and time is on his side.
     
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  7. Suyuntuy

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  8. Suyuntuy

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    I don't think Musah's career is in the upswing, he's been one of the worst players for Milan all season.
     
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  9. Cris 09

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  10. Suyuntuy

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    Check out the replies to this Tweet:

    The little Real Madrid fanboy would prefer to join another team…

    He won't be joining the team anymore

    Sell him!

    Should continue to be happy for Real Madrid for winning the final

    Just get rid of him, preferably for a decent amount of money to Real… he's known to be in a celebratory mood when his own team loses against Real

    Etc.

    All from 2 days ago.
     
  11. Cris 09

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    Ah...I see. Gotcha!
     
  12. FC Tallavana

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    He's was played all over the pitch in his first year with the club and he was 20/21. I thought his season got off track when he was first played as a right back and struggled. Prior to that he was showing pretty well, all things considered.

    I've referenced this before but Pioli often had Musah play three positions in a single match as subs were made and tactics were changed. That would be tough on anyone. All that said, he's gotta eventually break through with goals/assists. The dribbling to nowhere that he does also has to end.
     
  13. The Irish Rover

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    PSV got out of the CL Group Stage and went out of the last 16 in a close-run game.

    I'd say him doing well at a club like that - starts 3 out of 4 games, combined goals and assists hit double figures, etc. - will get him back to where he was 3-4 years ago. Which would be a major advance on where he is now as a player
     
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  14. The Irish Rover

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    He raises his game for the MNT, which is commendable.

    It's also no substitute for week-in-week-out production at club level.

    Once a younger player gets consistent PT at the same level, he'll be supplanted in the MNT lineup, rapido
     
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  15. diablodelsol

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    See…this is where we differ. It is it exceedingly difficult to “raise your game” when you’re given 5 minute pitty******** minutes once or twice a month.

    To which you lot will respond…well…he’s obviously got to show it in training first to get more opportunities

    To which I will respond…perhaps the manager needs to reevaluate how he evaluates people in training….because the disconnect is obvious.

    Point being…this is a pointless discussion.
     
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  16. Rossonero23

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    I think alot of players lost respect for Reyna after his situation with Gregg. Running to mommy and daddy.
     
  17. diablodelsol

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    Gregg and Claudio have known each other go over 40 years…long before Gio was a sperm. If you think Gio ran to Claudio to get him to intervene you’re nuts.
     
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  18. The Irish Rover

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    #14243 The Irish Rover, Jul 25, 2024
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    No pro athlete is "given" PT. He takes it from another player and keeps it for himself, benching that guy and ushering him into retirement or the exits while holding off waves of newer, younger players.

    If he's unusually good and unusually lucky, he does that for 15 years or so until one day some young gun relegates him to the bench and sends him into retirement.

    Reyna hasn't done that for 2 seasons at 2 different clubs, and the apparent brutality with which BVB are handling his exit suggests that attitude issues are involved. I just hope he makes me eat crow at his next club
     
  19. Rossonero23

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    Gio certainly knew about it.
    He comes across as a entitled spoiled brat.
     
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  20. diablodelsol

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    and you come across as a complete douche. Yet this is the internet and I’ve never met you…so its entirely possible, even likely, that you’re not a complete douche.
     
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  21. russ

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    Gio wouldn't have had to say a word.
    The moment the parents see bambino/a isn't playing,the phone calls group texts and emails to higher ups start.
    Source:Youth coach for seven years who will never say one damn word to any of his daughter's high school coaches about playing time.
     
  22. MayaDempsey

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    Nobody demands that a bad seed sign an extension. You’re making it up. They could be pissed that he prefers not to sit on the bench.and collect a check, like Moukoko, but that hardly makes him an attitude problem.
     
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  23. NietzscheIsDead

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    You have to wonder what his BVB teammates thought of the american youth soccer drama at the adult level. :ROFLMAO:
     
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  24. uniteo

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