The US Supreme Court Thread - Post Roe v. Wade reversal edition

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  1. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
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    Huh? Tribe is one of the founders of the ACS --- the liberal counter to the FedSocs. I know Professor Tribe. There are very few ConLaw scholars to the left of him.
     
  2. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    Maybe they're thinking of Dershowitz, who was just sanctioned.
     
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  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Oh OK. Maybe this is a fake then.

    https://fedsoc.org/contributors/laurence-tribe
     
  4. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
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    Probably not. Just because he spoke at some of their events doesn't mean his a card-carrying member.

    From the website itself: (emphasis mine)
     
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  5. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Well, the fact that the link has what looks like a disclaimer. . .

    A person listed as a contributor has spoken or otherwise participated in Federalist Society events, publications, or multimedia presentations. A person's appearance on this list does not imply any other endorsement or relationship between the person and the Federalist Society. In most cases, the biographical information on a person's "contributor" page is provided directly by the person, and the Federalist Society does not edit or otherwise endorse that information.

    Incidentally, the remainder of the disclaimer might be the most bad faith exoression of a disclaimer I've ever read

    The Federalist Society takes no position on particular legal or public policy issues. All expressions of opinion by a contributor are those of the contributor.
    @yossarian . . . Is that true that the FedSoc "takes no position on particular legal or public policy issues"?

    EDIT: rslfanboy can bite a fart.
     
  6. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
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    My disgusting plague-rat daughters are on it!:thumbsup:
     
  7. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    No, it's not fake. But did you read the part below his bio? The part that says these are people who have participated in conferences, panels, etc.?? [Addendum: I see two others have beaten me to the punch on this.]

    Lots of liberal law professors get invited to FedSoc events to participate in panel discussions, etc. For instance, another Professor I know, Eric Segall, who teaches at Georgia State law school and who has recently written a book about how the Supreme Court isn't a court at all, recently spoke at a FedSoc event --- essentially debated other panel members and argued that Originalism is bullshit.

    Despite Leonard Leo and the leadership's quest to just turn the FedSoc into another wing of the Republican party, a lot of rank and file FedSoc members don't agree and really are just interested in a more limited version of the federal government and the various legal theories that support such.

    Additionally, Tribe's legal scholarship speaks for itself, you can't read any of his stuff and think that he's a FedSoc member or adheres to that sort of jurisprudence.
     
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  8. yossarian

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    Hmmm. That seems poorly worded. Although I guess they might be able to argue that they as an institution don't take positions ------ just so happens that most of the folks arguing for conservative legal positions before the federal courts are FedSoc members --- who knew?
    :rolleyes:
     
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  9. Dr. Wankler

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    Thanks. I was basically reading it as implying, "we don't take positions, we simply expound the Truth."
     
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  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    This idea really speaks to me, because as soon as I read it I was like - wow that framing explains everything.
     
  11. Dr. Wankler

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    There seems to be an emerging theory on the right that makes the FedSoc Originalism look progressive... Here's a (long ass) article about a recent conference in D.C. devoted to an emerging conservative approach that has interested some young (i.e., still in law school) Fed Soc people

    https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...conservative-legal-philosophy-courts-00069201

    On the one side of this debate are defenders of the conservative legal status quo, who made up the majority of the speakers at the Cambridge symposium. By and large, these conservatives continue to champion the time-honored legal principles of the right: the sanctity of individual rights, the importance of judicial restraint and the wisdom of limited government. Practically all of them continue to identify as originalists.

    On the other side of the debate are those who, like {Adrian} Vermeule, want to push the conservative legal movement in a more radical direction. Partisans of this camp hail from different sectors of the American right, and they go by different names. (Some eschew the label of “conservative” for the edgier “postliberal” or “integralist,” two terms that are variously applied to Vermeule.) But they have cohered around a shared desire for a more muscular judiciary, one that sheds the guise of judicial neutrality in favor of a more assertive right-leaning posture. The members of this camp are almost uniformly critics of originalism — or at least of originalism as it’s practiced now — and many, though not all, are Catholic. They remain a distinct minority within the broader conservative ecosystem, but as the youthfulness of the audience in the Revolution Room suggested, their ideas have made particular inroads among young conservative lawyers and law students.

    “These are the things that people are talking about in FedSoc chapters all over the place,” said a clean-cut law student from Georgetown University as we chatted under the hotel’s marquee, referring to the conservative legal behemoth the Federalist Society. “I think our generation is a lot more open to it than the older generation.”


    And just what do they have in mind in their "right leaning posture." Based on the author's reading of Vermeule's book. . .

    In conservative legal circles, Vermeule has become the most prominent proponent of “common good constitutionalism,” a controversial new theory that challenges many of the fundamental premises and principles of the conservative legal movement. The cornerstone of Vermeule’s theory is the claim that “the central aim of the constitutional order is to promote good rule, not to ‘protect liberty’ as an end in itself” — or, in layman’s terms, that the Constitution empowers the government to pursue conservative political ends, even when those ends conflict with individual rights as most Americans understand them. In practice, Vermeule’s theory lends support to an idiosyncratic but far-reaching set of far-right objectives: outright bans on abortion and same-sex marriage, sweeping limits on freedom of expression and expanded authorities for the government to do everything from protecting the natural environment to prohibiting the sale of porn.

    Long ass article, as I said, that I haven't finished yet, but I know a few Catholics who would call themselves Integralists, and even they are (okay, the one guy I've actually talked to about Vermeule) thinking this is crack-potty.
     
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  12. yossarian

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    Yeah, I know who Professor Vermeule is, albeit I haven't read much of his scholarship. And I had long since graduated when he arrived at HLS to teach. He was a 3L there when I was a 1L, but as a 1L you barely get to know any of the 2L that first year much less 3Ls. So I didn't know him.
     
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  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    You there with any SC justices?
     
  14. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Kagan and Breyer were professors when I was there. I had a legislation course and an admin law course where Breyer came in and guess lectured a couple of times. He was on the 1st Circuit at the time but would adjunct. He got appointed to SCOTUS my third year.

    Brown-Jackson was a year behind me, but I didn't know her very well.
     
  15. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    I'm now disappointed that you aren't SCOTUS.
     
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  16. bigredfutbol

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    Aren't we all?
     
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  17. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    They'd have IntheNet testify against me at the confirmation hearing and I'd be sunk.
    :D
     
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  18. diablodelsol

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    Can’t think of a funny joke about “guess” lecturing but I’m sure it’s out there somewhere just waiting to be created.
     
  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Everyone should have 1 or 2 professors like this

     
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  20. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Typing and watching TV at the same time is hard.
     
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  21. Kazuma

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    Every time I read InTheNet's posts I always imagined it was Dave Foley from Kids in the Hall whenever he played jerks or people who had no business in things.
     
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  22. Dr. Wankler

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    I was getting fairly adept at lecturing/leading class discussion while watching a stream AND tracking a match (I pace a lot. . . Standing by the monitor would have attracted suspicion.

    Alas, finals week ended today.

    Oh. . . And I'm watching Season One episodes of Deep Space Nine with the wife... And typing.
     
  23. When did he lose the "n" (Vermeulen)?
     
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  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Add multi-tasking to your CV.
     
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  25. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
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    Kids in the Hall is back on Amazon Prime and it is very funny.
     
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