The last thread was getting a little long and I didn't want this Alabama vote to go unnoticed. The good citizens of Alabama this election voted to retain racist language in their constitution. To be clear this was a vote to remove historically racist and segregationist language from the State Constitution. It was supposed to be a symbolic gesture but guess what? The people of Alabama choose to keep the language. And you wonder why those of us farther North hold the ideas we have about the South.... (via Atrios) As a way of comparison, here in Oregon we had a similar vote in 2002 and the people voted to remove the language by a 3-1 margin (I still wonder about those who voted to keep the language )
Re: Fvck the South Part DEUX Hey, Oregonians may be homophobes but at least we're not racist.[/Finnegan]
Re: Fvck the South Part DEUX If you know any southerners, you know it's more about being stubborn than anything else. It's -we don't want some high falutin, politically correct liberals tellin us how to run our state - if it was good enough for my daddy and his daddy, then it's good enough for me. and yes, i speak from experience, so don't give me that crap about being condescending to southerners.
Re: Fvck the South Part DEUX A moron because (geographically) i was born a southerner? or a moron because i speak the truth about why (a lot of) southerners voted the way they did?
Re: Fvck the South Part DEUX Got me there...dissapointing to say the least. But it is Apples and Oranges also - alot different in terms of timeline. If there is a vote in 100 years to clean the constitution of the Antiquated bigotry of the 2004 Marriage Amendment I am willing to bet anything Oregonians clean the Constitution of the filth we passed last week by a 3-1 margin. And FlowerGirl stubborness at being told what to do is not an excuse; countless men have tried to use this excuse with their wives to know avail.
Re: Fvck the South Part DEUX I think y'all took my post wrong. I didn't say that i agreed. I think it's heinous, and there's absolutely no excuse for it. I was just giving you the excuse some Alabamians would give you. I in no way endorse ignorance or stubborness for the sake of it. I was born and raised in the south, but my parents were yankees. I'm this weird hybrid. A hospitable liberal.
Re: Fvck the South Part DEUX Okay, sorry for calling you a moron. Instead it's your neighbors that are morons.
Motherfvcker, Alabama NEEDS more spending on public education!!!!! Is there a site that can tell me how to make sure that none of my money goes to any of these "Red" states in any way? By being over here, earning loot in ££££, I've got the federal piece taken care of, but I mean things like I wanna make sure no slack-jawed troglodyte is packin' my books in Amazon boxes in Alabama or something like that. Not. One. Penny. To. Willful. Ignorance. If you humps lack the genital fortitude to actually secede, than I want personal, virtual secession. I want Personal Red State Economic Abdication; to cut them off from any of my money, full stop.
hahahaha... that's southerners for you. why do you think AL is one of the dumbest states in the country? It really worries me because i have 3 young nieces in AL. Hopefully my sister in law will keep home schooling them and not subject them to the Alabama educational system. As for your boycott... I have a suggestion.. don't buy any peanuts.
Re: Fvck the South Part DEUX It ok. I understand. And they aren't my neighbors anymore. Now it's the conservative midwesterners. Trust me, I can't wait to move back to the west coast or the northeast.
Open letter to fellow southerners, Dear rednecks, If we'uns is gonna be emlighted like dose peoples up north, we'uns is gonna have to git rid of stuff like dem words in out costitutions. Nah dont be afeared, we'uns can still keep our schools separate. We just have to do it like they do up north and move to the suburbs...
North Dakota, Idaho, Arizona, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Utah all spend less per pupil on education, yet they all seem to learn fine. D.C. New York, and New Jersey are 1, 2, and 3 in spending per student yet all three are at the bottom in graduation rates and test scores. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/05/23/school-spending.htm This is a fundamental difference in philosophy between Republicans and Democrats. Just throwing money at a problem isn't the solution.
I'm on record in this forum as disagreeing with the general "throw more money at it" method of schooling, but the above simplification misses the point entirely.
I think the numbers are a bit misleading, as well. NY and NJ have the largest percentage of urban area, and teachers' salaries, land costs, transportation, etc., are going to be higher. These figures don't really give us any picture unless we take into account all of the other factors, which, of course, USA Today is famous for not doing. They don't call it the "McPaper" for nothing.
Here's why I'm in favor of states rights. 'bama wants to not fund public ed. Fine. As a California taxpayer, I don't want to fun 'bama's publuc education, either.
It figures you would be the one making the case that schools in Texas and Alabama are as good as those in the Northeast.
Hey, why don't you go "F" yourself? I was making the point that the dollar figures are misleading. NY and NJ may spend more money, but it costs more money to have a school in an urban area than it does in a rural one. Why don't you stick to worrying about figuring out how to get gay people married rather than trying to divine wisdom from BigSoccer, you brain dead prick.
I see you've been going to the Dick Cheney Finishing School for Anger Management. If I were you, I'd spend a whole lot more time on working on critical reasoning (though you'd probably find that concept to be some liberal brain-washing exercise). You've made the point that New York is more expensive than Texas. So what? 'bama and 'xas are less expensive for obvious reasons beyond the urban/rural makeup; Alabama and Texas have crap school sysytems. Any objective analysis will easily point this out. You can argue that you've got a two inch dong for all I care, but the schools there still suck.
See, this is what happens when Rhett Butler tries to sound like one of his overseers. It doesn't work. See some of my posts for a better grasp of Rebonics. Or you may want to read some old copies of Lil' Abner. Fixed.
Uh, Revolt? That's not what his post says. His point is that we can't do a dollar for dollar comparison on school spending because dollars go a lot further in mostly rural areas than they do in urban ones.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was speaking to the Education Czar of America. Please excuse me. Now, spread some more of your enlightened knowledge of the education system in the United States from your obviously lofty perch, above all of the peons below you. We wait with baited breath for your next prnouncement, telling us all where the finest schools and best education resides. Were you always this sanctimonious, or is this something that just happened to you recently when you realized you were so much better than the great unwashed?
But how could he not have figured that out, what with his obviously higher reading comprehension level than those of us so unlucky to have been educated in the South?
The "Gay" issue puzzles me. After waiting tables for years and years of voice throughout grade school, high school and college I have made many "Gay" friends. They all say that they were born that way. Isn't that the same as me being born caucasian, southern and heterosexual? Isn't that the same as someone being born African-American, etc..? So if being "Gay" is who you are as an American citizen then don't you deserve the same rights as any other American citizen. What is at issue here is the wholesale disenfranchisement of a section of the populace. This shouldn't be a question of morality or religious belief but a question of anti-discrimination laws. The same holds true for the racist language in the Alabama state constituition. There shouldn't be a referendum because the language is unconstitutional (IMO, and I'm not a lawyer).