The Real Reboot Thread: Road to WC22

The Jitty Slitter · Jun 30, 2022

It was just a weird tourney as well in that France and Argentina totally bottled it

Ger90 · Jun 30, 2022

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

The 2002 tournament was rotten

Portugal were also bounced out IIRC
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and yet Germany are ones who get disgrace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón

sure "unprofessional" but not cheating. Whereas all 2002 WC cheating swept under rug.

Reason why
-FIFA made GS3 matches at same time is due to that Germany Disgrace of Gijon
-FIFA made it that no player can miss WC final after Ballack did in 2002 WC

I think was 3rd thing that Germany caused change in rules but I forgot.

BVBFNM · Jun 30, 2022

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

It was just a weird tourney as well in that France and Argentina totally bottled it
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Oh, I clearly remember how Argentina were the clear favourites to win the 2002 World Cup. Couldn't stop laughing after their group stage exit.

Ger90 · Jun 30, 2022

BVBFNM said: ↑

Oh, I clearly remember how Argentina were the clear favourites to win the 2002 World Cup. Couldn't stop laughing after their group stage exit.
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and then laughing continued as 3 back to back elimination vs Germany.

Alex C · Jul 1, 2022

And Argentina handled defeat really well, especially in 06....

Alex C · Jul 1, 2022

Lol.

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Ger90 · Jul 1, 2022

Alex C said: ↑

Lol.

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he's not wrong, lol

Even An American Marco Reus would sell more too.

LOL, Marquez Reiz

Marquez Reiz from Spain also really expensive
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BVBFNM · Jul 1, 2022

Márquez is a surname. The proper Spanish equivalent is Marcos.

Nightcrawler · Jul 3, 2022

12 years ago

Cris 09 · Jul 3, 2022

Nightcrawler said: ↑

12 years ago
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I must have watched this match like 15 times.

BVBFNM · Jul 3, 2022

What made Germany's win all the sweeter in my mind was what Maradona said in the pre-game press conference, that Germany's win vs England was phony and that England merely let Germany win.

The Germans sure made Maradona eat his words.

Ger90 · Jul 3, 2022

Argentina's biggest ever WC loss
-Ball Boy Muller scoring barely header
-Klose's 1st goal was walking dog in, LOL
-You know your shit when Friedrich scores on you LMAO
-Always loved that Ozil pint point ball for Klose with very nice finish

********ing Messi couldn't score vs WORLD CLASS FRIEDRICH AND PER.

Cris 09 · Jul 3, 2022

BVBFNM said: ↑

What made Germany's win all the sweeter in my mind was what Maradona said in the pre-game press conference, that Germany's win vs England was phony and that England merely let Germany win.

The Germans sure made Maradona eat his words.
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There is a vid with Maradona's reactions live during all goals. Made it that much better.

Ger90 · Jul 3, 2022

I do think nuts that
-2002 WC made 2nd place with CBs pretty much
-2006 WC made 3rd place with CB pair of Metzelder and Per
-2010 WC made 3rd place with CB pair of Friedrich and Per

Ger90 · Jul 3, 2022

anyway you slice, 2018 WC squad was more talented than a lot of past squads but couldn't get out of group with Korea, Mexico and Sweden......and have cemented themselves as our worst WC squad ever.

BVBFNM · Jul 3, 2022

Maybe having shitty CBs helps motivate the team.

Aderthan · Jul 4, 2022

Ger90 said: ↑

You an say same about 2022 WC, none sees us as winning.

Torsten Frings,

When asked what he learned from the 2-0 final defeat against Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Co., he answered succinctly: "Nothing" and then substantiated it. “There are these great sayings, you learn the most from defeats. In my opinion, this is complete nonsense. To be honest, I didn't learn anything from this defeat. When I think about this finale today, I am overcome with a mixture of frustration, sadness and disappointment. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Oliver Kahn hadn't torn his finger a few minutes before the 0:1. I also sometimes wonder how Marco managed to deflect Oliver Neuville's shot against the post. In short: I didn't take many positives with me from the finale."

Despite the missed triumph, he otherwise only has positive memories of the tournament. “No one would have believed us capable of winning the world title. I remember a cartoon that showed our faces as sushi bites, so we're going to be eaten anyway. That spurred us on so much that we all said in the squad: we're going to Asia and get the title - just as satisfaction," said the 45-year-old.

He identified the cohesion in the squad and team boss Rudi Völler as a major success factor: “Everyone on the team was passionate about Rudi and was infinitely motivated. It was perfectly okay for him if we drank a wheat beer or two after the game. The troupe at that time consisted only of outstanding characters. We really did everything together and had a lot of fun, but we were a little amazed and shocked when Didi Hamann thought he had to dash naked through the hotel garden,” recalls Frings, who played all seven games during the 2002 World Cup, with a laugh graduated
https://www.transfermarkt.de/frings...us-und-wenig-spass-in-bayern/view/news/406816
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Not many people talk about the Kahn's finger injury just before the Brazilian scored. Most media at that time(almost everyone against Germany) seems happy about the defeat, they single handedly blamed Kahn as the real culprit, without even mentioning the finger's incident.

Aderthan · Jul 4, 2022

Ger90 said: ↑

Argentina's biggest ever WC loss
-Ball Boy Muller scoring barely header
-Klose's 1st goal was walking dog in, LOL
-You know your shit when Friedrich scores on you LMAO
-Always loved that Ozil pint point ball for Klose with very nice finish

********ing Messi couldn't score vs WORLD CLASS FRIEDRICH AND PER.
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Don't forget the moment of genius from Schweinsteiger, the legendary slalom. Prime Schweinsteiger.

Dage · Jul 4, 2022

Aderthan said: ↑

Not many people talk about the Kahn's finger injury just before the Brazilian scored. Most media at that time(almost everyone against Germany) seems happy about the defeat, they single handedly blamed Kahn as the real culprit, without even mentioning the finger's incident.
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If he injured his finger he had to take responsibility and should've asked Völler to take him off. But his lizard brain and ego didn't allow him to do so. It's his blunder, not Ronaldo's scoring.

The Jitty Slitter · Jul 4, 2022

Ger90 said: ↑

2010 WC made 3rd place with CB pair of Friedrich and Per
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To be fair the 2010 side was defensively excellent - remember they had Boateng at right back as well, played a very low block with an effective double pivot then just countered with Mueller, Poldi, Klose and Ozil.

I do think it is also easy to overlook that they rode their luck at 1-0 - Argentina had a lot of good chances

It was a very talented Argentine side which Maradona mismanaged quite badly by having no connection between attack and defence - hence it was so easy to counter them

The Jitty Slitter · Jul 4, 2022

Dage said: ↑

If he injured his finger he had to take responsibility and should've asked Völler to take him off. But his lizard brain and ego didn't allow him to do so. It's his blunder, not Ronaldo's scoring.
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The myth of Khan continues ....

Aderthan · Jul 4, 2022

Dage said: ↑

If he injured his finger he had to take responsibility and should've asked Völler to take him off. But his lizard brain and ego didn't allow him to do so. It's his blunder, not Ronaldo's scoring.
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It's a WC Final, anyone will try to stay on the field as long as possible. And even without his blunder, Brazil will probably won the game anywhere, they're the better team.

hava · Jul 4, 2022

Aderthan said: ↑

It's a WC Final, anyone will try to stay on the field as long as possible. And even without his blunder, Brazil will probably won the game anywhere, they're the better team.
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First, then one cannot be upset that he got mild (at least in Germany) criticism for his blunders. Secondly, as a member in a team, it's not all about you, it's about making responsible decisions. One of the most basic and earliest lessons you learn is that the team's success is more important than your ego. Khedira had to miss the final just due to the chance of getting injured.

Brazil was clearly better but the game was decided by horrendous mistakes. Not all were made by Kahn as unfortunate incidences happened like the ref blocking a German player from passing twice which led to the goal. But the logic of "They would have won otherwise" is purely hypothetical and no excuse to remain on the field if you are injured.

Nightcrawler · Jul 4, 2022

04.07.2014

BVBFNM · Jul 4, 2022

Mats Hummels considers this the most important goal he's ever scored.