The On-going Never-ending Brexit Story Part Four

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  1. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The whole Fox situation just gets funnier by the hour.
    He's now been called out by Mark Dolan and Julia Hartley-Brewer, and started having spats with them.
    Going too far even for JHB, but still getting Wootton suspended. That's some achievement.
     
  2. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    You're talking about a fella who hasn't been outside of Telford for about 4 years. It might as well be on the moon, tbh :D
     
  3. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Heartbreaking news

     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    A 16 y.o. cvnt chopped down this iconic tree

     
  5. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    GB News having a real clear out.
    The cosplay priest Calvin Robinson has been given the push, and rumours abound that Darren "Crafty Wank" Grimes is due as well.
    Clearly the few remaining advertisers have given them an ultimatum.
     
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  6. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    The one that surprises me about that group is that Scottish archaeologist and historian who seemed moderately normal before going completely off the rails.
     
  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Yeah, Coast was a great series. Then he went nuts.
     
  8. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    It looks like they're suspending anyone who's defending Wootton and Fox.
    Saw an article earlier that the producer was telling Wootton to cut Fox off and apologise, which he ignored. They then put an apology on the autocue, which he skipped.
     
  9. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
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    England
    BTW, just on a point about polite terminology, I think you'll find they prefer the phrase 'people who who are involuntarily celibate' rather than 'wankers' nowadays.

    You're welcome :)
     
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  10. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Best nickname ever.

    1707716833942351914 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  11. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Of course, what the tories need is one policy... just ONE, that is guaranteed to appeal to their core demographic to shore up support so it doesn't drop any further and, if possible, starts to rise again.

    Step forward, Rishi 'seven bins' Sunak with the solution...

    Scrapping winter fuel payments a ‘death sentence’ for pensioners, Sunak told
    Campaigner warns against cutting back allowance amid reports PM considering making it means tested

    I mean, if that's not a winner, my name's not Naughtius Maximus... AMIRITE?! :)
     
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  12. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The only age group in which they have a majority is pensioners. Latest polling has them at 1% in under 25s.
     
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  13. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    7 bins has found the answer to that 'problem'.
     
  14. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Hunt says the Tories could cut the welfare budget to fund tax cuts.

    Loot as much as possible before getting thrown out.
     
  15. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Looting as well, probably, (as the average tory MP will almost certainly benefit from any tax cuts), but, also, it's a lot harder to raise taxes, (even ones that have only recently been cut), so we're stuck with a problem they've created for us.

    IMO that was largely why the tories privatised the railways in the run-up to the 1997 election which they were obviously going to lose, daring the incoming labour government to reverse it at huge expense and for little direct, short-term benefit for the public.

    As I've pointed out said, the tories have no such qualms...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/how-tories-kept-secret-of-15-vat-hike-1566429.html

    ...

    Sir Geoffrey (now Lord Howe) declared: "We have absolutely no intention of doubling VAT." The allegation was depicted as one of Labour's "dirty dozen" lies in a Conservative press release.

    But papers marked "secret" and circulated in numbered copies only show that proposals for a "massive" hike in VAT to 15 per cent or even 17.5 were canvassed in February 1978 by Lord Cockfield, a member of Sir Geoffrey's economic team.


    On Sunday 11 June 1978, at a meeting at Sir Geoffrey's home in Fentiman Road, Lambeth, south London, agreement was reached in principle to raise VAT to 15 per cent. That was 11 months before the election that swept the Conservatives to power. Those present included Sir Keith Joseph, Nigel Lawson, Peter Rees, Lord Cockfield and Patrick Jenkin. The papers record: "It was agreed that the major changes in the tax structure should be made early on. Once VAT had been raised it could not be touched again withi n the first parliament".

    The aim was to allow Sir Geoffrey to honour his repeated pledge to switch taxation from "pay-as-you-earn to pay-as-you-spend", allowing the big cuts in income tax which marked Sir Geoffrey's dramatic first budget six weeks after the Tories took office. He slashed the top rate from 83p in the pound to 60p, cut the standard rate by 3p and raised thresholds, covering much of the cost by raising VAT.
     
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  16. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    So one of the key points the Tories will run on is the 15 minute city thing.

    "Stop councils implementing '15 minute cities' where essential amenities are always within a 15 minute walk".

    What is the actual thinking behind this? What possible argument is there for people not having to travel to see a doctor, or buy groceries? It's beyond insane.
     
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  17. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    There's a good piece in the grauniad today about the electoral calculation they're trying to make and how difficult it's going to be to square that circle...

    Tory turmoil as third of voters desert party and factions launch rival manifestoes
    Exclusive poll for Observer reveals Conservatives have lost support in their southern England heartlands and the Red Wall


    The coalition of voters that delivered the Tories a big majority at the last election is crumbling, according to dramatic new evidence that the party is losing support in key battlegrounds across England.

    The findings, revealed in a special poll of 2019 Tory voters for the Observer, comes as Rishi Sunak faces a series of competing and contradictory demands from warring Tory factions ahead of the party’s conference in Manchester.

    With the prime minister also attempting to breathe new life into his government during his first conference as leader, MPs in “red wall” seats will present him with a plea to “turbocharge” the northern economy after the HS2 fiasco, while figures on the right are to present their own manifesto this week. Liz Truss is also set to demand lower taxes and a smaller state.

    It comes as exclusive polling for the Observer reveals that a third of those who voted Conservative in 2019 now intend to switch to other parties. It suggests that the Tories have lost voters in crucial areas – their southern heartlands and “red wall” seats in the Midlands.

    This is the problem. One lot wants things that are diametrically opposed to the other lot.
     
  18. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Somewhat appropriately, a car crash interview talking about speed limits.
    Once again, where was this level of scrutiny of Cameron, May, Truss and especially Johnson?

     
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  19. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The problem the Tories have is not only that utter failures such as Truss are demanding policies, but that the party will also listen.
    It's far too late for the next election, but a Tory party that fights for the centre ground will bounce back much quicker than a Tory party that goes with Truss, Braverman and Badenoch.
    It's the equivalent of Labour deciding they didn't win in 2019 because Corbyn wasn't left wing enough.
     
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  20. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    I must admit, that's the aspect that annoys me the most. If these people had done a better job of holding these people to account we might not be IN this position.
     
  21. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    7 bins was on Kuenssberg this morning and even she's gone rogue on them now. Again, bit late now they're on the way out.
     
  22. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
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  23. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    We're clearly in some sort of parallel universe as Priti Patel is the Tories current voice of moderation*



    *Well, "moderation" might be pushing it. Maybe "not 100% certified crazy" would be better.
     
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  24. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    A very thoughtful piece from Kenan Malik about the reality of multiculturalism rather the some of the rhetoric...

    Suella Braverman’s bigoted attack on multiculturalism shouldn’t blind us to its problems
    To some, it’s a celebration of diversity, to others, the creation of barriers. We need to be honest about the issues facing our communities


    As he says, this is the sort of analysis and consideration that Braverman should employ when she discusses this issue but she's more interested in right-wing 'dog whistle' rubbish to 'position' herself in a future tory leadership debate.

    What's interesting about the Braverman rhetoric is that there's a pretence that this is all new when that's a LONG way from the truth.

    I thought about that watching this with Lewis Goodall talking to Michael Heseltine who seems to fondly imagine that Thatcher would NEVER have used that sort of language.



    I'm guessing his mind has gone because even MY enfeebled brain cells remembers this...



    We HAVE to support the national front policies because otherwise we'll have the national front in charge... and we don't want THAT, do we :)

    :rolleyes:
     
  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

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