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  1. Unless she in the mean time broke her toe it will be until the last hour before decisions will be made about starting or not.
     
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  2. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. Even if it was true, why would Netherlands announce it beforehand and help the US with their preparations and planning?
     
  3. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    I didn't agree with quite a bit of Henderson's last WoSo Independent Podcast, but his wildest take was the Dutch starting Spitse and Dekker as a pivot with van de Donk ahead of them. Both he and his co-host have seriously undervalued the tournament Groenen's had so far, but if they think Dekker can offer more physicality while not losing too much of the box-to-box work Groenen does, then alright. (If Groenen doesn't start, I'd still put Roord in her place ahead of Dekker, but I suppose I also wouldn't rule out Roord on the left if Martens can't start.) They said they'd put Ertz on van de Donk and Mewis on Spitse while not specifically mentioning putting anyone on Groenen. Maybe Groenen has an absolutely terrible game tomorrow, but based on what I've seen, I don't see why they think she doesn't require just as much attention as her midfield teammates do. Then again, they think Rapinoe's had a fantastic tournament outside of half an hour against Sweden while I thought Rapinoe wasn't particularly good against Thailand or Spain despite her output numbers. Some people just disagree a lot with each other, and I suppose I could be more understanding. Just frustrating though.
     
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  4. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017

    I listened to some of this and others of their podcast. The second guy is former Univ. of Kentucky coach Jon Lipsitz--who was a good coach in the Southeastern Conference who did a good job but got badly treated by the university, IMO. I think he now works as an assistant/volunteer assistant at Cal.

    In any case, I enjoy listening to their opinions, and certainly the coach knows a helluva lot more than I do about the tactical aspects of soccer, but the two of them most definitely get things wrong, miss things, and of course different people always see and analyze things on a soccer field differently. I think Henderson bases a lot of his opinions on Instat game metrics--and while it certainly is valuable to have matches and individual play broken down with metrics, I do wonder how accurate their numbers really are. I can't say--but I'm a little skeptical. I'd like to know who the national teams rely on for metrics--maybe it is InStat, in which case maybe the company does good work. I don't know.

    Beyond that, the two of them almost always agree with one another--on every point, practically--and that's a little dubious. I mean, c'mon--you can't agree on everything. The two of them did rate The Netherlands pretty highly going into this tourney as a team that could do well--full credit. They've kind of missed the fact that Sweden was much better and dynamic in attack and with the ball than it has been in a long time. They ran rampant on England in the first 20 minutes today--and yet Sweden could do very little against The Netherlands. Of course, one can't too much stock in a third-place game, I realize.

    Henderson has been raving about Spitse's play--and she has been good. It's really the midfield trio that has carried this team, and in particular their defensive work. Henderson doesn't rate the Dutch fullbacks very highly but I doubt he's seen enough of Van Lunteren to realize what a rock she is on the right--and she was excellent against Sweden. She's no Bronze in attack, but Bronze wasn't great in this tourney and was responsible for the first U.S. goal in that semifinal. I do think left back is a Dutch weakness.

    Liptsitz threw out one metric to watch for tomorrow. He thinks the Dutch need about 55 percent possession in the first half to have a chance--meaning they can't be chasing a lot in the first half or they must certainly will run out of gas in the second half. I think that is a good point. I mean, fatigue could be a problem for the Dutch tomorrow, so possessing the ball will be important--but it's going to be a challenge given the athleticism and pressing tactics of the U.S. In the end the Dutch may be two players short of where they need to be to beat the U.S.--but we shall see!
     
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  5. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    Henderson said one thing that I think is rather crazy: He suggested that if Ellis retires as U.S.A. coach, the U.S. Soccer Federation should recruit Wiegman. What!? Has the very successful coach of any national team jumped ship to another country/program? Maybe it's happened, but I can't imagine it. An //unemployed// foreign coach with a good reputation would take a NT job in another country--that happens a lot--but not a //current// successful NT coach. The Netherlands is one of the great footballing countries; they've been on a roll. Wiegman played a year in the U.S. in college, yea--but I'd be super-shocked if she left her current job for any other. First, the USSF surely has too much pride to try and steal a successful /current/ coach from another nation--it's a bad look, really--and Wiegman wouldn't leave.
     
  6. So basically we need to win the kick off and circulate the ball for 20 minutes:)
     
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  7. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    Yeah, that was actually his wildest take.
     
  8. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
  9. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    the problem with the English is there so.......stuffy! Look how cool & collected Alex Morgan is next to Phil Neville
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  10. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    interesting enuf, Dutch woso had influence on America's top pro league, NWSL, in the form of last year's Houston Dash coach, Tessa Pauw. She had them play an attractive, long balling style very much like Wiegman, Unfortunately, the Dash didn't like her 'stern' personality & players a revolt ensured to which she resigned even though she lead the usually underwhelming Dash to their best season ever.
    This article isn't about that, but Pauw's insight on why Dutch soccer has risen so well. Let's hope though the Dutch today can get some revenge for Pauw & the shabby way she was treated in Houston
    USA vs Netherlands: Dutch World Cup success was decades in the making - CNN
     
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  12. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    from the fake newsers of facebook, or is this the actual starting lineup?
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  13. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    L’orange, props for the Bloodworth to leftback mention for the future; it’s already happening this match. Of course, that means we get the CB pairing that worries both of us a bit. Both Martens and Beerensteyn start.
     
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  14. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    That’s directly from the team’s twitter account.
     
  15. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    big mistake starting Berrensteyn, Holland needs somebody fast up there to counter the early blitz that will surely come, Berrensteyn ain't it! I'm afraid the game might be over when VDS finally comes in. Only keep hope is if Ellis decides to slow down the pace till later.

    I'm calling on BS super poster, @Lechus7, whatever happened to the supposed genius behind Euro 2017, the Foppe dude? It just doesn't seem like Wiegman is following his advice this time arounf
     
  16. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That goalie is clutch!
     
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  17. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    0-0 halftime, the Dutch holding on despite US domineering. The 4-5-1 straight lines are stopping the US passing lanes. now please send in van de Sanden(as she could gotten behind some of those long ball instead of the slow poking, Bereensteyn
     
  18. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Uppsala, Sweden
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Now the Netherlands have hold USWNT goalless longer than the other sex team they played this WWC put together.
     
  19. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    FIRE Wiegeman, her idiot coaching is ruining this game!
     
  20. You're exagerating man:ROFLMAO:
    However she should have subbed van de Gragt 10 minutes before the 90 minutes mark as she was totally spent and of no use going forward.
     
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  21. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    this has to be the dumbest statement of the day.
     
  22. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    They were all spent. The passing in the last 15 minutes was very weak. Six shots and only one on goal are not going to win any games. Good effort to make it to the finals and let's hope that this moves things forward in Holland.
     
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  23. Feyenoord has finally decided to become a player in women soccer too with a plan to build a team in the next few years to become an Women Eredivisie player.
     

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