The NCAA DI At-Large Pool List

I thought about them but after they lost I checked out their record and they don't have any quality wins. I mean, their best win was over Brown which only has eight wins. A 12-8-1 record might get teams with some good wins in, but I don't think it does in this case.

So, I would vote no, but if someone else wants to nominate them, I won't exclude them from the list even though I don't see them getting in.

 

Quick note and a question ...
Teams that finish .500 do have a chance to qualify, as shown by UConn who were 8-8-3 last year but hosted a first-round game. Portland (10-9-1) and NC State (9-8-2) didn't have such good records, either.

Unlike the polls, which over-emphasize wins and losses, the NCAA's reward strength of schedule. That's as it should be, since the teams that face weaker schedules have rarely made any noise in the tournament.

Q: In basketball, games against lower-division schools are not taken into consideration. Is that also true in soccer? (If so, UCLA's regular season record is now final. Also, Stanford would have one less tie -- the 0-0 game against UC-Davis was their one bad result of the season.)

 

Only D-1 games count - so DUke's record should change as well.

 

I have another question. If a marginal team wins its automatic conference berth by winning a post-season tournament, does it get the benefit of a higher seeding than a higher ranked team it defeated in tournament final because it is the conference champ? I'm thinking the MSU/IU scenario now playing out.

 

In a big upset in the Big Ten tourney, Michigan State eliminates Indiana 2-1, sending the Hoosiers to our at-large party.

This is bad news for the bubble teams, particularly those from the Big Ten and/or the Great Lakes Region. First off, it increases the chances that if MSU doesn't win it, they'll get an at-large bid and IU, which could have been penciled in before for an automatic bid, now is taking one of the 26 at-large spots and that will have a definite ripple effect.

Here's the updated list.

Boston College (12-4-2)
California (11-3-3)*
Cal State Northridge (9-5-2)*
Denver (10-5-1)*
Duke (14-5-0)
Indiana (14-4-1)
Kentucky (11-5-3)
North Carolina State (8-8-2)
Notre Dame (13-2-3)
Ohio State (10-6-2)
Penn State (10-4-7)
Portland (10-6-2)*
Santa Clara (13-5)*
Stanford (7-5-5)*
St. Johns (10-5-4)
South Carolina (11-6-1)*
UCLA (12-3-2)*
UNC-Wilmington (12-6-2)
Washington (11-5-2)*

 

Couple of thoughts on the bids.....Denver and NC State have no chance in playing in the tournament..I think Wilmington killed themselves by losing in the first round of the CAA's. Everyone that is still in the ACC tournament can be added (minus who you think will win). College of Charlestown and South Florida are good additions. I think that the CAA will produce three teams..JMU/VCU/Old Dominion.

 

South Florida (10-5-2) gets invited to our party after falling to Saint Louis in the CUSA quarters.

Here's the updated list.

Boston College (12-4-2)
California (11-3-3)*
Cal State Northridge (9-5-2)*
Denver (10-5-1)*
Duke (14-5-0)
Indiana (14-4-1)
Kentucky (11-5-3)
North Carolina State (8-8-2)
Notre Dame (13-2-3)
Ohio State (10-6-2)
Penn State (10-4-7)
Portland (10-6-2)*
Santa Clara (13-5)*
Stanford (7-5-5)*
St. Johns (10-5-4)
South Carolina (11-6-1)*
South Florida (10-5-2)
UCLA (12-3-2)*
UNC-Wilmington (12-6-2)
Washington (11-5-2)*

 

We can add South Florida to the At-Large Pool List. South Florida bows out of the C-USA Tourney with a 2-0 loss to Saint Louis.

South Florida has some nice wins on it's resume with a 3-0 win over SMU and a 2-0 win over #11 Memphis. SF did suffer a recent 5-0 drubbing from the feet of St John's. A Rating of 44 puts them in a very tenuous postion.

 

I guess Tom either didn't read the complete thread or they didn't teach reading comprehension at SLU!

I'm just joshin' ya, Tom. Thanks for your input on South Florida. Certainly those wins will help their cause.

 

Duquesne, which won the Atlantic 10 regular season title, was eliminated in the conference semis in PKs today by George Washington and finishes the regular season 13-6-1.

I'm going to nominate them for our at-large list mainy on the grounds of having won their conference's regular season title, though they will be a long shot for a bid.

Boston College (12-4-2)
California (11-3-3)*
Cal State Northridge (9-5-2)*
Denver (10-5-1)*
Duke (14-5-0)
Duquesne (13-6-1)
Indiana (14-4-1)
Kentucky (11-5-3)
North Carolina State (8-8-2)
Notre Dame (13-2-3)
Ohio State (10-6-2)
Penn State (10-4-7)
Portland (10-6-2)*
Santa Clara (13-5)*
Stanford (7-5-5)*
St. Johns (10-5-4)
South Carolina (11-6-1)*
South Florida (10-5-2)
UCLA (12-3-2)*
UNC-Wilmington (12-6-2)
Washington (11-5-2)*

 

For the aesthetic quality of the NCAA Tournament I am glad to see Ohio State removed from the list and if they get an at-large bid that is really sad.

They are horrendous.

 

I dont agree. If denver wins the next two games they go to 12-5-1, with a win over #5 New Mexico and a tie with #20 Washington...So I would say they do have a chance

 

Even though they got their asses haned to them, playing at home, by Northwestern 5-0, I'm going to nominate Michigan (10-7-4) for an at large bid.

The Wolverines have wins over UConn, Kentucky, Akron and Ohio State, all teams that will either get an NCAA bid, or be strongly considered for one. Their losses are two Northwestern twice (once in OT), Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan State, Notre Dame and Rutgers and only the Rutgers loss would be considered a bad one, based on how those teams did this year.

Boston College (12-4-2)
California (11-3-3)*
Cal State Northridge (9-5-2)*
Denver (10-5-1)*
Duke (14-5-0)
Duquesne (13-6-1)
Indiana (14-4-1)
Kentucky (11-5-3)
Michigan (10-7-4)
North Carolina State (8-8-2)
Notre Dame (13-2-3)
Ohio State (10-6-2)
Penn State (10-4-7)
Portland (10-6-2)*
Santa Clara (13-5)*
Stanford (7-5-5)*
St. Johns (10-5-4)
South Carolina (11-6-1)*
South Florida (10-5-2)
UCLA (12-3-2)*
UNC-Wilmington (12-6-2)
Washington (11-5-2)*

A lot more coming today!

 

add UNC-G to the at-large list

Just upset by Davison 2-1

on my way to the CofC/Appalachin state University match now.

boxscore here


Mikeyhttp://cougars.cofc.edu/mens/soccer/live/xlive.htm

 

This really puts the pressure on the Cougars - if they don't win automatic, selection committee will have to pick 2 at-large teams from the SoCon, and that may be a stretch.

 

West Virginia (12-7-1) fell to UConn 1-0 in the Big East SF. They've got wins over Notre Dame and St. John's in their pocket and that will get them a long look from the selection committee for an at-large bid.

Wake Forest (13-5-1) is also coming to our at-large party after losing to UVa 2-1 in the ACC semis.

And in another game that will have ripple effects for the bubble teams, Virginia Commonwelath (11-6-2), the top-seed in the Colonial Athletic Association, fell to Hofstra (10-9) 1-0 in the semis.

I agree the loss by UNC-G (added below) puts a lot of pressure on CoC to win their automatic bid.

Boston College (12-4-2)
California (11-3-3)*
Cal State Northridge (9-5-2)*
Denver (10-5-1)*
Duke (14-5-0)
Duquesne (13-6-1)
Indiana (14-4-1)
Kentucky (11-5-3)
Michigan (10-7-4)
North Carolina State (8-8-2)
Notre Dame (13-2-3)
Ohio State (10-6-2)
Penn State (10-4-7)
Portland (10-6-2)*
Santa Clara (13-5)*
Stanford (7-5-5)*
St. Johns (10-5-4)
South Carolina (11-6-1)*
South Florida (10-5-2)
UCLA (12-3-2)*
UNC-Greensboro (18-2-1)
UNC-Wilmington (12-6-2)
Virginia Commonwealth (11-5-2)
Wake Forest (13-5-1)
Washington (11-5-2)*
West Virginia (12-7-1)

That's 26 teams on our list and there are 26 at-large bids and there are a lot more still coming to this list this weekend, including several more tonight.

It's gonna get pretty interesting!

 

Man these conference tournaments are wild. With UNCG and Wake losing today, that tightens up the number of available at-large's in the South region.

Davidson always gives UNCG fits, no matter how good they are. And there's some bad luck vibe with Blackbaud Stadium and the Spartans.

Good luck everyone, this is getting interesting.

 

Boston College (12-4-2)
-Good wins: St.John's, Seton Hall, UConn
-Bad losses: Rutgers (6-8-4) is a bad loss because of record
-Prediction: IN
California (11-3-3)*
-Good wins: Santa Clara, Washington
-Bad losses: None
-Prediction: IN
Cal State Northridge (9-5-2)*
-Good wins: UCSB
-Bad losses: Cal State-Fullerton
-Prediction: OUT, Besides for the upset of UCSB, they didn't beat anyone else.
Denver (10-5-1)*
-Good Wins: New Mexico
-Bad losses: Towson, UC Riverside, UNLV, San Jose St.,
-Prediction: OUT, Too many losses to teams with sub .500 records
Duke (14-5-0)
-Good Wins: Maryland, UNC, Wake Forest
-Bad losses: VT and NC State but those won't hurt them badly
-Prediction: IN but won't get a seed because of S.O.S.
Duquesne (13-6-1)
-Good Wins: URI
-Bad losses: Cleve St., Temple
-Prediction: OUT
Indiana (14-4-1)
-Good Wins: Notre Dame, Penn State, Ohio State
-Bad losses: None
-Prediction: IN and getting seeded in top 8
Kentucky (11-5-3)
-Good Wins: Ohio State, UAB
-Bad losses: NIU, WMU
-Prediction: Undecided. If WMU beats Akron, they have a chance. But will be on the board until the very end.
Michigan (10-7-4)
-Good Wins: UConn, Kentucky, Akron, Ohio State
-Bad losses: Rutgers
-Prediction: Undecided. May have done enough if Kentucky, Akron, and OSU get in but if they don't they are out. Not enough wins against quality opponents.
North Carolina State (8-8-2)
-Good Wins: Duke
-Bad losses: FDU, UMBC, Charlotte (if they dont win CUSA Tourney)
-Prediction: OUT, haven't done enough to get an at large.
Notre Dame (13-2-3)
-Good Wins: B.C., Seton Hall, UConn, Michigan
-Bad losses: None
-IN and getting a top seed
Ohio State (10-6-2)
-Good Wins: Mich. St., Penn State, Oakland, Northwestern, Michigan
-Bad losses: None
-Prediction: IN, assuming Mich. St., PSU, Oakland and Michigan all get in
Penn State (10-4-7)
-Good Wins: Akron, Tulsa, SMU, Maryland, Mich. St.
-Bad losses: Wisconsin
-Prediction: IN based on their S.O.S. and wins against SMU and Maryland
Portland (10-6-2)*
-Good wins: UAB, C.O.C, Washington, Akron, Santa Clara
-Bad losses: UC Irvine
-Prediction: IN, done enough and losses are to quality teams
Santa Clara (13-5)*
-Good Wins: San Francisco, Portland
-Bad losses: San Diego
-Prediction: IN, but may not get a top 8 seed despite potential to win 15 games because of S.O.S.
Stanford (7-5-5)*
-Good Wins: SMU
-Bad losses: None
-Prediction: OUT especially if they lose to Cal because they wouldn't have beaten enough teams.
St. Johns (10-5-4)
-Good wins: Washington, Seton Hall, SLU, Hartwick, UConn, S.Florida
-Bad losses: None
-Prediction: IN and looking at a top 16 seed
South Carolina (11-6-1)*
-Good wins: Portland, Wake Forest, UNC-W, Duke
-Bad losses: UPenn, Charlotte (see above), Furman
-Prediction: IN, they have done enough despite a couple of set backs
South Florida (10-5-2)
-Good wins: SMU, FIU, Memphis
-Bad losses: Cin., Marquette
-Prediction: IN, done enough to satisfy
UCLA (12-3-2)*
-Good Wins: Cal. (2), Washington
-Bad losses: Oregon St.
-Prediction: IN and looking at a top 4 seed
UNC-Wilmington (12-6-2)
-Good wins: ODU, UNC-G
-Bad losses: Hofstra (2)
-Prediction: IN, they may be one of the last teams on the board
Wake Forest (13-5-1)
-Good Wins: Ohio State, VCU, Maryland, LMU, UNC
-Bad Losses: None
-Prediction: IN and looking at a top 8 seed with a really tough S.O.S.
Washington (11-5-2)*
-Good Wins: UConn, Creighton, UCLA, Cal
-Bad Losses: None
-Prediction: IN
West Virginia (12-7-1)
-Good Wins: Notre Dame, St. John's
-Bad losses: VT, St. Francis
-Prediction: OUT, not enough quality wins and a weak S.O.S

 

at 12-4-3 I am going to nominate UWM...league final for the the fourth straight year...3 straight years to the show (once as at-large and two automatic sberths) playing against Detroit...thoughts?

If UNCW, Michigan and Connecticut are considered then UWM must be in the picture.

 

Thoughts? My thought is that you don't have very good reading comprehension.

This thread, is for teams that CAN NOT GET AN AUTOMATIC BID TO THE NCAA TOURNAMENT. UW-M has advanced to the Horizon League final. Ergo, they are still alive for an automatic bid and don't belong on this thread. If they lose to Detroit, then, yeah, welcome aboard. But till then, it's wasted post and just adds clutter when there are so many other games going on.

 

In a non-tournament game that impacts the at-large teams, Cal State Northridge, which can't win the Big West's automatic bid because UCSB already has, picked up another win today, beating UC Riverside 3-2 to improve to 10-5-2 with a game left Sunday.

Here's the list, updated to reflect CSN's new record.

Boston College (12-4-2)
California (11-3-3)*
Cal State Northridge (10-5-2)*
Denver (10-5-1)*
Duke (14-5-0)
Duquesne (13-6-1)
Indiana (14-4-1)
Kentucky (11-5-3)
Michigan (10-7-4)
North Carolina State (8-8-2)
Notre Dame (13-2-3)
Ohio State (10-6-2)
Penn State (10-4-7)
Portland (10-6-2)*
Santa Clara (13-5)*
Stanford (7-5-5)*
St. Johns (10-5-4)
South Carolina (11-6-1)*
South Florida (10-5-2)
UCLA (12-3-2)*
UNC-Greensboro (18-2-1)
UNC-Wilmington (12-6-2)
Virginia Commonwealth (11-5-2)
Wake Forest (13-5-1)
Washington (11-5-2)*
West Virginia (12-7-1)

 

Sandon - How about we start whittling this list - and putting some folks in?
It will keep things more realistic.
I think these 9 are in - regardless (they are top 15 in about every poll rating you look at):
UCLA *
Indiana
Wake Forest
UNC-Greensboro
Notre Dame
California *
Santa Clara *
Washington *
Virginia Commonwealth

I think these 5 are out regardless - they are sub 50 in the ratings, etc.and no real compelling story to get them over that hump
UNC-Wilmington
Denver*
North Carolina State
West Virginia
Duquesne

These 12 and the losses from tonight/sat/sun make up the true "bubble" to fill the final 17 at large spots - let's focus on this group + adds - unless someone thinks I am insane...
TEAM w l t rating schedule
Penn State 10 4 7 17 1653
St. Johns 10 5 4 18 1655
Cal State N * 10 5 2 19 1568
Portland *10 6 2 21 1666
Duke 14 5 24 1520
Boston College12 4 2 28 1601
Stanford *7 5 5 29 1689
Kentucky 11 5 3 31 1494
Ohio State 1 0 6 2 32 1661
South Carolina*11 6 1 33 1604
Michigan 10 7 4 37 1630
South Florida10 5 2 44 1527