How old are you? the 60s and 70s were a crazy transitional stage in the big four team sports. MLB 1959 16 teams mostly on the east coast with a few relocations to the midwest and west coast. 1982 26 teams with spread out waves of expansion and the death of the reserve rule and skyrocketing player wages NFL 1959 12 teams basically in the northeast quarter of the U.S. plus Los Angeles 1982 28 teams nationally with some NFL expansion to fend off the challenge by the upstart AFL NBA 1959 8 teams same basic footprint as the NFL 1982 23 teams after absorbing 4 teams from the 1970s upstart ABA. NHL 1959 6 teams 1982 21 teams after absorbing the leftovers of the 1970s upstart WHA And the NFL, NBA, and NHL all were aggressively expanding themselves in an effort to lock up markets lest the upstart AFL, ABA, or WHA get there first. And all of that expansion in all 7 of those leagues saw some pretty awful and unvetted ownership groups through. The Pilots were just one example. And all of this ignores the NASL's two year jump from 12 to 24 teams that pretty much wrecked everything. Part of the financial problem (not with the Pilots per se) was that the mid-70s was the dawn of free agency which saw player payroll costs increase massively. Part of that was offset by increasing competition for national broadcast rights - which were increasingly valuable partly due to the enlarging media footprints of the various leagues. But someone that could afford to run a major league team in 1970 might be out of their financial depth ten years later.
The mayor of Nashville and Nashville SC come to an agreement, demolition to begin immediately: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...-stadium-go-mls-club-mayor-agree-revised-deal
Baseball had the same 16 teams spread over 10 cities for over 50 years before 3 failing teams moved to new cities (Orioles, A's, Braves). Then 2 more greedy owners moved to the new markets (LA, SF) which prompted waves of expansion to 20 (Astros, Mets, Angels, new Senators), then 24 (Expos, padres, Royals, Pilots/Brewers), then 26 (Jays, Mariners) and now 30 (Diamondbacks, Rays, Marlins, Rockies), with a few more teams moving cities during that period. The NBA had 8 teams (Knicks, Celtics, Phila Warriors and Syracuse Nationals in the east; Minneapolis Lakers, St. Louis Hawks, Fort Wayne Pistons and Rochester Royals). The Lakers and Warriors moved to California, Syracuse became the 76ers, Hawks to Atlanta, Royals to Cinncinati, Kansas City (Omaha) and eventually to Sacramento and the Pistons to Detroit. A ton more teams were added along the way, including absorbing the surviving ABA teams (Nets, Pacers, Spurs, Nuggets). There were only 12 pro football teams in 1959--Giants, Eagles, Redskins, Steelers, Browns, Lions, Bears, Packers, Chicago Cardinals, Baltimore Colts, 49ers and LA Rams. The Cowboys and Vikings were added in 1960, and 8 AFL teams started then too: NY Titans (Jets), Boston Patriots, Buffalo, Houston Oilers, Raiders, LA Chargers, Dallas Texans (Chiefs) and Denver Broncos. They were later joined by Miami and Cincinnati. Before the merger, the NFL added Atlanta and New Orleans to make 26 teams. The NHL's Original 6 were Montreal, Toronto, Boston, Rangers, Chicago and Detroit. They doubled in size for the 1967 season with Phila, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Minnesota, LA Kings and Oakland Seals. More expansion, and absorbing the WHA (Whalers, Quebec Nordiques, Edmonton and Winnipeg), followed by even more expansion to get to 31/32.
I don't think the parcel was conflicting. Rather, the conflict was over who would pay to upgrade it. I'm gonna guess that is part of the "adjacent infrastructure" that they announced the team was responsible for.
My understanding was that in the original agreement included a parcel adjacent to the stadium that the club wanted to develop on their own, but the Mayor wants to develop it for both NSC and the track, so it could be a "common area". Maybe I got it wrong?
You are right, I am wrong. https://www.tennessean.com/story/op...or-john-cooper-mls-soccer-stadium/4685303002/
But it looks like the team gets to keep the 2.4 acres... However, it will be designed to account for an open plaza.... https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...-mayor-reach-new-deal-mls-stadium/4738224002/ So, it looks like the team found a price that the Mayor could accept that allowed them to keep the parcel despite the Mayor saying it wasn't about the money.
The first year after to NBL-BAA merger (1949-50) there were 17 teams. Of the 8 who would endure: 3 were BAA originals (Celtics, Knicks, Philadelphia Warriors), 3 were teams who came over from the NBL the year (Minneapolis Lakers, Fort Wayne Pistons, Rochester Royals (Kings)); and two were NBL teams that came over in the merger year (Syracuse Nationals (76ers) & Tri Cities Blackhawks (Hawks)). Of the 9 who did not endure: 4 were BAA franchises (Washington Capitols, Baltimore Bullets, Chicago Staggs, St. Louis Bombers); 4 were NBL teams that came over in the merger (Anderson Packers, Sheybogan Red Skins, Waterloo Hawks, Denver Nuggets). 1 was an expansion team in Indy, the Olympians, to replace the NBL franchise (also in Indy, the Jets) that had jumped to the BAA the year prior to the merger. Some teams with the same names would rise again (Bullets, Nuggets). After one year, they were down to 11. The 8 survivors plus the Bullets, Capitols, & Olympians. The Capitols folded the next year & the Hawks moved to Milwaukee. Indy folded in after the '53-'54 season, and Baltimore in the fall of the next season after starting 3-11. The league would remain at 8 from '54-'55 thru '60-'61. Though by that time, the Hawks were in St. Louis. The Lakers in LA. The Royals in Cincinnati. And the Pistons in Detroit. Chicago got a team the next year. The Packers. Who changed their name to the Zephyrs the next year whilst the Warriors moved to SF. Chicago folded the next year but the Bullets were reborn in Baltimore, and the Nationals became the 76ers in Philly. All in all the league stayed at 9 from '61-62 to '65-'66. Then it exploded. The Bulls came into Chicago in '66-'67. The Seattle SuperSonics and San Diego Rockets joined the next year. Milwaukee Bucks & Phoenix Suns the next year, with the Hawks moving to Atlanta. The league stayed pat for 1 year & then expanded by 3 teams (Cavs, Trailblazers, & Buffalo Braves) & switching to divisions. Held steady at 17 for a bit, with the Rockets moving to Houston (1972), & the Royals/Kings to KC/Omaha in '73. Bullets to Washington as well. Jazz made it 18 teams in '74-'75 in NO. The ABA/NBA merger added 4 more in '76-'77: NY Nets, SA Spurs, Indiana Pacers, & Denver Nuggets. Held steady at 22 thru the 79s with the Nets moved to NJ in '77, Braves from Buffalo to SD (Clippers in '78), Jazz to Utah in '79. Mavs joined in '80. Clips to LA in '84. Kings to Sac in '85. Charlotte Hornets & Miami Heat joined in '88, keeping an odd # of teams at 25. With Miami in the midwest division & Charlotte in the east. 2 more in '89, Orlando & Minny, keeping an odd number of teams. 90 saw Orlando in the midwest division, but for only 1 year. Odd. Toronto Raptors & Vancouver Grizzlies joined in '95. Toronto in the Central & Van in the midwest. Still an odd number of teams, now at 29. The Grizz moved to Memphis in 2001. Hornets to NO in 02. Charlotte got the Bobcats in 2004 as the NBA finally had an even # of teams for the first time since 1980, at 30, where they have stayed for 16 years. Longest run in league history. Other than the Katrina caused NO/OKC move for the Hornets in 06-07 for 2 seasons, and Seattle to OKC in 2007, the franchises have been stable for 12+ years now. No relocations. Though Charlotte/NO did change nicknames. Point being, MLS is way stable by comparison.
And when you got a team back - and how could Minnesota be without an NHL team? - they stuck it with a dumb name. Sorry, but I can't see fans in Michigan or Massachusetts putting up with that. Minnesota hockey is American hockey royalty. Its team's name should reflect that. Sorry. And, by the way, you guys have a nice footy ground.
Good question. Here’s another: can you list the future MLS stadia in order of when you think they will be completed. Here’s mine: 1. Columbus 2. Cincinnati 3. Sacramento 4. St. Louis 5. Nashville 6. Miami (Freedom Park) 7. NYCFC 8. New England 9. Chicago 10. Charlotte
If MLS can have three Uniteds and the SEC can have three Tigers and two Bulldogs, the NHL should be able to handle both the Stars and the North Stars.
Nope. Kraken are just too awesome for the NHL.. I look forward to the Krakheads cheering on the Kraken as they win the Kup in the Krakhouse.
In a perfect world, the Minnesota North Stars get the green/yellow/black color scheme, and the Dallas Lone Stars change their colors and branding to match the red/white/blue of the Texas flag. Is there a "You Be the Bettman" thread on bighockey.com?
So... for anyone who actually knows the city better than me. Is the new Nashville stadium actually in a good area? They'll be playing this year right across the river from one of the most vibrant downtown entertainment districts in the country. Unfortunately when I hear "Fairgrounds" I think of the Lowes and grass fields across the street from Crew Stadium.