The long overdue and frank discussion about the US Midfield 2018-2022

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  1. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Before the Paraguay post match went off the rails (I admit I contributed to that), we started talking about the midfield and I remember @vexco saying a Frank discussion on our midfield is overdue. So let's have it here.

    The one caveat I will add is that when you start naming who should play where, please make it clear what formation you are using. This is because the MNT has a temp and we don't know what will be the new coach's preferred formation or style of play.
     
  2. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    As of now, I would do a 433 with an inverted V.

    Adams McKennie
    --------Trapp

    With Roldan to back-up Trapp, Delgado to back up Adams and Nagbe to back-up McKennie.

    Puli will be a RF or LF with other young strikers up there.
     
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  3. CNYFC

    CNYFC Member

    Mar 28, 2016
    -----Mckennie----
    Adams-----Delgado

    4-3-3 or 3-5-2. Mckennie playing above Adams and Delgado.

    I think Parks will surpass Delgado. If we get a more creative midfielder to break through like Taitiague/Carleton, push Mckennie back and take out Delgado.

    I don't see a good 6 in our pool, so play 3 centrally and 2 of which need a high work rate.
     
  4. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since we failed to qualify, this conversation has been ever-present. It is in no way overdue.
     
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  5. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    how about eventually a 3 of
    Parks
    McKennie Adams

    People have mentioned that but I fear it is not disciplined enough with no one being a stay at home.
     
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  6. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
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    Ghana
    True but did it have its own thread? I am claiming it overdue just like Columbus discovered America. ;)
     
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  7. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Predicting Parks as having a role is premature.

    At this point, our best midfield is probably something like Saief-Adams-WM-CP
     
  8. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Well, he certainly "discovered" America in the sense that neither he nor his people were aware of it before it he found it.
     
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  9. Deadtigers

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    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ghana
    this is a 442, I assume. I like it but I just would like it better it you added Trapp and made CP and Saief WF and not W so more a 4141 or 433, depending on tactics.
     
  10. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Hmm...Trapp...not sure. I'll need to see more of him against higher level competition.

    I'm optimistic for Parks to have a role, but I think among our youth players, Sargent is the closest to a sure thing, given our lack of depth at striker.
     
  11. Deadtigers

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    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Between Sargent, Weah, Novok and Rubin, one of them has to come good.
     
  12. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Sargent and Weah is mouth-watering for sure. Then Wood can have a role off the bench. And it will be interesting how Novok develops. But personally I have no hope for Rubin.
     
  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    ---------------------Sargent------
    -----------Pulisic------------Gooch---
    ---Saief---McKennie--Bradley---Yedlin
    -----------Besler--Miazga--CCV--
    ---------------------Guzan-----

    McKennie(6'1") and Bradley(6'1") make for an imposing pair who covers immense amounts of ground. Each has an excellent passing range.
     
  14. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Bradley has tremendous soft-spots in his game, including tackling, dribbling, and short-passing. His athleticism is also on the wane. In my team, he has no future.
     
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  15. CNYFC

    CNYFC Member

    Mar 28, 2016
    Could be, but I think it's worth a trot out to see. That is if Parks continues to develop as mentioned elsewhere.
     
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  16. Deadtigers

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    Jul 23, 2015
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ghana
    Rubin I will give another year or two to have a 10-15 goal season, if not, we can right him off.

    I haven't seen Sargent but if him and one of Weah and Novok become good, then that midfield you presented early would work, if it was the empty bucket with Adams and McKennie swapping supporting roles in attack.
     
  17. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Sargent has just dominated the international youth ranks in a way we haven't seen for a long time. And unlike Adu, he's actually a youth player ;)
     
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  18. Deadtigers

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    Jul 23, 2015
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    Ghana
    I am sorry is that Michael Bradley? Captain of the first failed WCQ expedition in 30 years?
     
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  19. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    He just needs the right partner in midfield. He didn't have that over the last four years. Maybe McKennie or Adams (or both) could bring out the best in him.
     
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  20. Jazzy Altidore

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    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Bradley needs the "right partner" in the sense his partner must be capable of covering up his flaws. Jermaine Jones played much better than him last World Cup.
     
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  21. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
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    You forgot the eyeroll emoji.
    :rolleyes:
     
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  22. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    Who was his partner in 2010 when Bradley actually played well who was so special? Rico Clark? The truth is that Bradley started a dramatic decline right about the time he injured his foot in warmups against Mexico and left Europe for MLS.
     
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  23. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    He's not a 10, like Klinsy wanted. He's not a 6 either, as Arena forced him into. He's not an 8, as he's a bit older now. He just needs a good partner around him, and we haven't found it yet. Blame it on the other central midfielders. We saw them have plenty of opportunities in the Gold Cup. They stunk. Thankfully MB was brought back in to win the championship. Nobody else has proven capable.
     
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  24. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Warmups in Costa Rica. Bradley and Jones clicked very well in the Copa Centenario. MB did well at Azteca when paired with an in-form Acosta. He can't be held responsible for Arena's cooky lineup decisions at T&T. Most importantly, MB is still one of the top center mids in the program.
     
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  25. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Spot on.

    This guy captained a side that has no business in the WC to almost qualifying, if not for a bad break in the other games.

    Poor partners are responsible for poor midfield performances, not MB.

    LOL at "still one of"...guy is head and shoulders above any PLAYER, much less MFer. McKennie can barely get 45 mins as a SUB!
     

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