The Kansas City/Chattanooga Pro/Rel Meet-n-Greet Superthread

A tragedy, though I prefer Bowie over both.

Though considering this was the genre that also spawned Alvin Stardust and god help us, that POS Gary Glitter, suddenly Slade don't seem quite so cringeworthy.

 

I'm not particularly sophisticated when it comes to music (some might say that I could have stopped this sentence after four words).

I have a lot of LCD bombast in my collection.

I was at an Alice in Chains gig a couple of weeks ago and while I'm naturally too reserved to express a tremendous amount of outward emotion, inside I was like a girl at sixties Beatles concert.

 

#prorel4usl

 

It's nice to see them move in this direction. With them, NPSL and to a more vaporous extent NASL/NISA talking about implementing tiers with a view to pro/rel, I think we're nearing a time where the USSF should start addressing such a structure in the PLS.

For example, would you really need to have an owner with a net worth of $7.5m to be promoted from D3 to D2 (versus $5m for D3 sanctioning)?

 

Mmm, that doesn't help the fan owned teams.

 

I guess it depends on the ownership structure.

For example, Toronto FC are owned by MLSE, who are ultimately a subsidiary of Rogers Entertainment, which is a publicly traded company, rather than having a majority owner of any specific net worth. The company itself of course, is worth many billions.

I'm still of the opinion that as long as it can be demonstrated that a fan-owned club has enough combined cash-flow, capital and security and are in line with other reqs, they'd have a solid chance of getting that net worth requirement waived.

 

Last week, Freakonomics had a show about "hidden side of sports" and one part resonated with me with regards to player pay in lower league sports:

"VENKATESH: And so we thought that would help us understand what happens to these folks. I think one of the most curious things that we find is how much ten years matter. If you take two people who grew up in the same circumstances, let’s say one played baseball and one didn’t, the person who plays baseball is making about forty percent less on average ten years after they enter the game than the person who decides not to play baseball and who just wanted a regular career.

DUBNER: All right, so what kind of background is typical for these players that you’re tracking?

VENKATESH: The average player probably looks like an upper-middle-class kid who comes out of college or comes out of high school. And when you follow an upper-middle-class kid for about seven to ten years, they’re probably going to make higher than the median average income. They’re probably going to live in a neighborhood that’s relatively safe. They’re going to have a career. Now, when you take the counterpart among the pool that was drafted, that median kid, that kid looks likes he’s making about twenty to twenty-four thousand dollars a year, which is not a lot of money. He’s working probably five to seven months playing baseball, and then struggling to find part-time work in the off-season. Might be coaching, might be doing some training, might be working on a construction site, might be working in fast food.

HUMPHRIES: “Well, when you’re 25, playing in independent ball, making less than $2,000 a month. Living off your parents because you can’t financially sustain yourself like that. At some point you have to say to yourself — look, with no degree, I had less than an associate degree at that point. So, at some point, you have to tell yourself, “I can’t do this to myself. I can’t do this to my parents. And I can’t continue when I know that there’s untapped potential to do other things.”"

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/sports-ep-3/

 

What's the relevance/context of that story?

 

The Athletic article about USL pay.

 

And more the prevailing attitude that it was a post-collegiate lark. A grown up gap year that players would move on from and resume their regularly scheduled middle class existence.

 

That echoes MLS 10 years ago when the minimum salary was $12,900.

In NWSL the minimum is $15,750.

Anyone who commits to playing a professional sport is taking a gamble.

Most don't make it, whether it's a post-collegiate or an academy player.

 

It depends on the sport. The NFL doesn't have minor leagues below it. If a player is not drafted or signed as a free agent later, he can try to play Canadian or Arena Football and hope to make the NFL later, or he can give up. It's nothing like baseball where players could play in the minors for five or more years and have to guess if they will ever reach MLB. Austin Bibens-Dirkx played his first minor league game in 2006 and his first MLB game in 2017 at age 32.

 

Survival is not reward enough for 14 clubs, but that's all they've got. 7th or 17th, what's the point?https://t.co/LOAPspdQO0

— John Nicholson (@JohnnyTheNic) April 8, 2019

THREAD OF THE DAY

 

This has nothing to do with the topic title, but if Watford finish below seventh, the seventh place club will watch the FA Cup Final knowing they will qualify for the Europa League if Manchester City beats Watford. For Leicester City, they have only competed in Europe once in 18 seasons. For Everton, they used to be a contender for the top six before Manchester City and Tottenham improved to join what was the big four. For Wolverhampton, qualifying for the Europa League in their first season after promotion would be a big accomplishment, and their last European competition was the 1980-1981 UEFA Cup.

 

Sure, but what would they think about playing in Chattanooga in a stadium of 4,000 people on a crappy field with no fans? Makes no sense.

 

One post is a blatant pot shot and shit talking, nothing more.
One post is links to actual discussion from actual fans directly involved in pro/rel issues.

Yes, one of them does belong under a bridge but sane people won't point to the one that actually delivers points of view and doesn't just wax poetic on a singular person's opinion on things.

Of course, most of the soccer fans who'd love to see some sort of Pro/Rel in this country (the majority of them, NOT YOU or any of the rest of BS's usual pro/rel torch bearing suspects) who are actually aware of YOUR TWITTER/POSTING ON BGSOC regard YOU as little more than a Pro/Rel cesspool.

#DoTheWorkQuitDemandingAHandout
#BuildSomethingDeservingOfOpeningTheDoorFor
#Youain'tthemajority
#Factskillyournarrative
#Youcan'tdealwithdiscussion
#TwoAllBeefPattiesSpecialSauceLettuceCheesePicklesOnionsOnASesameSeedBun

 

Repped the last sentence.

 

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