Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

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  1. ToMhIlL

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    I know this kind of thing happens everywhere, but it is a clear example of the wrong kinds of people being put in charge, the kind of people who either don't even think about potential consequences or simply don't care.

    Pretty much all of Trump's cabinet level appointees would fall into this category, where they have no expertise in the area and do things like build a dam near a salt mine that makes farming impossible. Carson in HUD, DeVos in Education, Perry in, well anything, the EU ambassador Scondland who bought his position, list goes on and on...

    During the Cultural Revolution China had a minister of Agriculture who grew up in the city and had never seen a cow in his life until he got the job, but, hey the guy could recite passages from the Little Red Book by heart.
     
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  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    This stuff happened in NZ as well

    The tory government sacked the democratically elected Environment Council (which had actual experts) under emergency legislation and replaced it with rubber stampers so that dairy farms could pollute the rivers.

    People are so naive about whats going on
     
  3. song219

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    I have 2 in-laws that have foreign passports or the ability to get them- the Philippines and Trinidad and Tobago-but I don't think they can get me another passport so I can travel on the down low. ;)
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

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    100 casualties now

     
  5. ceezmad

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    We do have a history of our leaders lying to us to lead us into wars.

    I guess that Trump and this white house lying to keep us out of one is not the worse thing they have done.
     
  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    DJT - "Pfft. They're called headaches, folks. And everyone gets them"
     
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  7. Iranian Monitor

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    #1482 Iranian Monitor, Feb 10, 2020
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    More pictures of things built in Iran since the revolution. This time, focusing on military weapons.

    Iran's Submarine Force

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    Iran's Fateh Submarine

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    Iranian Ghadir mini-submarines

    Although the Ghadir is a midget submarine, Iran has developed a very unique submarine launched missile that is fired from a capsule that can be carried by its midget submarines as shown in the video below. One of the advantages of this type of system is that it can't be easily tracked back to the submarine, making the submarine better protected from enemy return fire.



    Some of the surface vessels built in Iran.
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    IRIN Sahand (F-74)
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    Shahid Nazeri, IRGC's high speed catamaran troop carrier, (Made in Iran)

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  8. Yoshou

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    Iranian astronaut costume... I mean... outfit.

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  9. Iranian Monitor

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    Comparatively, Iran's weakest service is its air force.
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    Even when Iran uses older, even 'ancient', US made platforms, it isn't just the platform that counts but what kind of weapons a plane carries, what kind of radar it has and more.
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    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...ts-are-very-bad-news-for-tehran-s-adversaries
     
  10. Iranian Monitor

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    Iran doesn't have a manned space program. It is starting one but I agree the tweet that marketed Iran starting a manned space program got off the wrong foot:)

    More significant than these silly things which are used to create false impressions about Iran's overall progress and development, is the fact that Iran's space program has indeed suffered serial setbacks in the past few years. While the latest failure to launch a satellite into orbit wasn't a complete failure in some ways, it was the 4th consecutive failed attempt. This despite the fact that Iran has on several occasions managed to sent small satellites into orbit, the first time over a decade ago, raising suspicion that the recent failures in part involve foreign sabotage.
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    World's worst Major Tom impersonator
     
  12. yossarian

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    But funk to funky, nevertheless.
     
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  13. ceezmad

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  14. Iranian Monitor

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ouhani-calls-for-unity-in-deeply-divided-iran
    Jeers as Weakened Rouhani Calls for Unity in Deeply Divided Iran

     
  15. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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  17. Iranian Monitor

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    #1492 Iranian Monitor, Feb 12, 2020
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    People bring their assumptions from their own backgrounds when it comes to understanding things which are quite different as it relates to Iran, including on the issue you allude to. Just to be clear, Iran's "Supreme Leader" is not akin to the "infallible" Pope in Catholic tradition. The "leader of the Islamic Revolution" in Iran under the Iranian constitution is basically someone with secular authority, but someone who is supposed to be a religious scholar (not necessarily among the very highest ranking religious scholars even) having attributes such as being recognized as a just person etc. His actual function is secular (and ideological), somewhat analogous to a "Platonic Philosopher King" or, to use an analogy to ancient Iranian concepts, someone who is supposed to be a "Just King" (but who is also supposed to be committed to the ideology of the Iranian revolution). Except, instead of being a 'hereditary monarch", this "Just King" (or Philosopher King) is appointed by an elected "Assembly of Experts" (who can dismiss him as well).
     
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  18. ceezmad

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    Sounds a lot like the pope and the college of cardinals.

    But the Pope does not have veto power on who can become prime minster of Italy (the pope is the ruler of the Vatican city state I believe).

    Perhaps more like the old Pope of the so called Holy Roman empire.

    Now the college of cardinals may not have the power to dismiss the pope, just to elect him.
     
  19. roby

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    Hey....don't mock them. Their aircraft carrier has stealth capability. :cautious:

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  20. Iranian Monitor

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    I am not religious in the theistic sense. But let me clarify certain points:

    - Unlike the College of Cardinals, the Assembly of Experts is a popularly elected institution and its members aren't necessarily the 'religious leaders' of the Shia community.

    - Unlike the Pope, the Supreme Leader isn't the religious leader of all Shia faithful. There are several Grand Ayatollahs in Iran. The Shia faithful are entitled to choose among them their "source of emulation" on religious matters. Iran's Supreme Leader today maybe one of those 'sources of emulation' in the past decade or so, but he isn't the only one now and wasn't even a "source of emulation" when he became Supreme Leader (see below).

    - While the founder of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Khomeini, was certainly a "marjah Taghlid" or "source of emulation" when he became Iran's first supreme leader under the constitution adopted in Iran after the revolution (which enshrined the doctrine of "Guardianship of the Jurist" into Iran's constitution), Ayatollah Khamenei (when he was appointed as Supreme Leader) had not yet attained the rank of a "Grand Ayatollah" and was not recognized as a "source of emulation". In fact, the latter requirement (which even when it existed didn't make the Iranian Supreme Leader the equivalent of the supposedly infallible Pope in Catholic tradition) was specifically amended out of the Iranian constitution, with the 'leader of the Islamic Revolution" no longer required to be a 'marjah taqhlid' but merely a religious scholar.

    - In Shia Islam, the faithful are free to choose their own "source of emulation", but only among those who have attained the rank of "Ayatollah" (religious scholars who have finished a curriculum of studies and published a treatise accepted by peers as entitling them to this rank and who able to engage in "ijtihad", i.e. 'independent reasoning", as opposed to 'taghlid" (copying). In this way, Shia Islam has aspects similar to the Catholic church, were only a group of clerics who have followed a particular curriculum of study are allowed to lead the community of faithful, but also different than the Catholic Church since once you have attained the upper levels of 'religious scholarship', it is up to the people themselves to choose who will serve as their individual source of emulation. There is no single Pope, with the last "infallible" leader of the Shia faith (the Shia Imam) someone who is considered to have gone in "Occultation" in the 9th century (and won't be returning until something akin to "Judgment day").

    - Another similarity and distinction between Shia/Sunni Islam in comparison to the Catholic-Protestant split in Christianity is the following: Shia Islam, like protestant movement, became a movement of dissent and protest against the established order and the power of the Islamic caliphate and other powers ruling over the realm of Islam. Basically, the Shia considered these rulers as usurpers and illegitimate while the Sunnis didn't. On the other hand, as alluded to already, unlike the protestants, which challenged the power of the Church in Christendom by promoting the right of each individual to read and interpret scripture on his own, in Shia Islam, that is not the case. Hence, while you can have the same kind of problem as you have among 'evangelical Christians' in Sunni Islam, and some of these radical Sunni groups represent similar things, technically in Shia Islam you can't have a 'preacher' take scripture and begin interpreting it on his own.

    There is a lot more I wanted to say on this issue, but this is already a long message...
     
  21. Timon19

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    That conning tower looks suspiciously like a huge drywall box.
     
  22. Iranian Monitor

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    Iran's telecommunications minister, who is very young, is considered a rising star in Iranian politics and is sometimes mentioned as a potential presidential candidate for the next presidential election in Iran. Which makes the 'gaffe' with the image he posted on 'twitter' a bit more noteworthy and significant.

    https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/iranian-minister-apologizes-over-mock-spacesuit-post
    Iranian minister apologizes over mock spacesuit post
     
  23. Iranian Monitor

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  24. superdave

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    Remember Fox Soccer Channel? If I'd worked there back in the day, I would have made a series called World's Best Derbies. One week it's a Tehran derby, the next it's from South Africa, the next it's Costa Rica, and then Istanbul. Prague, Moscow, Cairo. The Corsican derby. A half hour pregame explaining the history and (when applicable) cultural factors of the rivalry, and then the match itself. I would have been a freaking addict.

    One of the cool things about following soccer is that you kind of have to learn about the whole world.
     
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  25. superdave

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    We are really going to need a Truth and Reconciliation Committee.

    We aren't going to get it mind you, but we're going to need it. Hundreds, if not more, need to be named and shamed, to deter future fascists.
     

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