Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

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  1. JamesA

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    Iranian sources saying they won't respond apparently. Hopefully that's accurate.
     
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  2. Iranian Monitor

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    Unless Israel comes out and officially acknowledges it attacked Iran, or unless the attack was meaningful, Iran will probably brush it off.
     
  3. Iranian Monitor

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    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...o-damage-caused-in-overnight-attack-state-tv/
    Iranian senior commander: No damage caused in overnight attack — state TV
     
  4. Iranian Monitor

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/19/israel-iran-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine/
     
  5. teammellieIRANfan

    Feb 28, 2009
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    Hopefully that will be the end of it.
     
  6. waitforit

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    Israel used cheap drones while Iran used expensive anti air to destroy them

    Such a big win for Israel


     
  7. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    This wasn't drones. Iran has to downplay this because they can't admit their have no defense against the Israeli air force. But if it means an end for the tit-for-tat, good.
     
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  8. waitforit

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    Iran are not liars unlike the West so I believe them
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    #3059 The Jitty Slitter, Apr 19, 2024
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    The War on the Rocks interview dug into the whole logistical and infra side of it which is really fascinating because it is changing so fast.

    Basically the strike drone company is now a part of each front line formation but how they work is not yet completely standardised. One important point is they do not sit in a nice bunker like operators of the past. Rather they are well behind the lines where they can't be so easily targeted with all their infrastructure, drones and munitions. Then they have to deploy to the front for their missions, which means drive and then walk, due to enemy drone risk. Once somewhere safe behind the front they can launch.

    Missions determine what load out the drone has. So there is situational awareness and intel from recon drones - these guys are always aloft. The bomber drone is really the first small drone seen in numbers which can drop one to two granades - on infantry, kit or to knock out stationary vehicles before they can be recovered. Then in recent times there is a lot of FPVs which may carry a shaped charge weapon to destroy vehicles which may be on the move. This is very difficult to do against tanks.

    Mike Kofman says that the videos online give a misleading idea of how this might scale to the mass attacks of popular imagination. First being a top drone ace is quite a skill set that few people have right now. Second, it's still somewhat a cottage industry where elite units fundraise for drones, field mod them and launch them - but not all units have the amount of drones they need by some distance. Third is countermeasures, which can be electronic, but also you have to worry about enemy drones and the fact that you could be targeted with artillery when your location is revealed e.g by launch

    Then there is cost benefit implications. The whole value of the mavic is that it is commercialised, so is available in quality at low costs. You field mod it (cost goes up) but it's still worth it. But at some point they get expensive - eg the ones that can operate at night are much more valuable, and they get heavier, so more battery power and rotor lift needed etc.

    But obviously drone isn't going to be more effective than arty any time soon. It's more part of the mix. FPV is great when targeting something really valuable like a tank, but kill rates are actually quite low. Bombing is cost effective because often you recover your drone - but again that's quite opportunistic in terms of targeting and not very scalable.

    I guess in theory you could have strike drones controlled via starlink that you massed for some kind of surprise attack - but those drones likely cost way more so you see it used more for long range strikes with bigger payloads.

    tldr; drones aren't really replacing artillery right now
     
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  10. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    This is sarcasm, right? Sometimes it's hard to tell.
     
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  11. waitforit

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    I was channeling my inner IM
     
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  12. Iranian Monitor

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    To summarize:
    1. The US claims a missile struck Iran near an air base in Isfahan
    2. Iran says 3 mini drones fired from inside Iran targeted a radar station near Isfahan's air base and they were shot down
    3. Israel has not officially commented but a war of words has erupted over a far right minister calling the attack 'lame"
    4. My own family in Isfahan say all is well and fine. Those in Iran who would welcome a real Israeli strike are disappointed but hopeful that this was just 'a pre Passover down-payment designed to say we will be taking up the issue after our holidays and prefer for now a symbolic act that won't ruin vacation plans in Israel'
    There is zero evidence of anything substantial to require Iran to falsely down play.
     
  13. teammellieIRANfan

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    #3063 teammellieIRANfan, Apr 19, 2024
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    https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-minister-slammed-for-implying-israel-behind-iran-blasts-3c94637e
     
  14. teammellieIRANfan

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    #3064 teammellieIRANfan, Apr 19, 2024
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    Strike appears to be symbolic, but seems like this has divided ministers in Netanyahu's own government, not to mention fallout in media etc from Ben Gvir's statement.
    Which leads me to believe that this MIGHT not be the end of it, but we'll see.

    Suffice to say, Iran will not respond to this.

    What I think will happen in the following months is that Israel and Hezbollah might go to war, beyond current "skirmishes".
     
  15. charlie15

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    Hope so as well. The ethno fascist called Bibi would love nothing more than to drag the US into a war with Iran.
     
  16. yasik19

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    Just curious. Any reason you didn't post " the ethno fascist Khamenei would love nothing more than to drag the US into a war with Iran" after Iran sent 300+ "things" on Israel? Or in your eyes, is it only israel that is culpable?
     
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  17. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    stay curious…..
    Good quality!
     
  18. They're gonna tit for tat -ing into full scale war if the USA doesnot hit the two firmly on their hands.
     
  19. Planes, without refuelling in the air by the US military.
     
  20. mebeSajid

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    You have a link to the podcast episode?

    I'm fascinated both personally (I like to fly drones :) ) and professionally.
     
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  21. Before the Iran drone attack, ME conflict experts told that if Iran would attack that nuclear site of Israel, that would be considered a nuclear attack by Israel and responded likewise.
    If these missiles were targeting nuclear installations, that might be considered likewise by Iran.

    The west should immediately make clear with a big stick to Israel, we're not going to let you lot drag us into a war and to Iran we can and will shoot everything out of the skye you launch.
     
  22. yasik19

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    Well, at least you picked a good quote.
     
  23. teammellieIRANfan

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    Iran is obviously not going to respond. The attack is being ridiculed, if this is the extent of Israel's retaliation after 3 war cabinet meetings. Ben Gvir's post is being retweeted in Iranian media.

    Now Israel might still do something after passover, but in that case this attack would make no sense. World leaders and international media are framing this as Israeli response and are now calling for Iran to restrain itself, as if Israel has responded in "tit-for-tat".

    Honestly, I think the IRGC might be laughing all the way to the bank on this one, if there are no reports and evidence suggesting significant damage to a military infrastructure.

    To summarize. Everyone is laughing about Irans retaliation. And seemingly Israels retaliation is also being laughed about, including minister in its own government.
    Lets hope that will be the last laughter, and the tit-for-tat matter to be concluded, because I am 100 % certain Iran will not reciprocate this attack.
     
  24. The Irish Rover

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    How about you just answer the question?

    I mean, do you have any ideas, research, etc. to contribute or is snarking the limit of input?
     
  25. It's not a question of culpability, but of who's interest it is to get the USA into the playing field.
    With all his big mouth waffling one thing is very clear and that's Khamenei doesnot want a direct confrontation with the USA.
     
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