Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

It isn't like we don't have a history of false reporting of effectiveness to ABMs when it comes to the US/Israel! The numbers become ridiculous and fishy when the success rates suddenly are reported in 99-100% nonsense. Especially when those same reports contradict their own bogus math!

Just as a reminder:
In 1991, U.S. officials and media excitedly reported a 100-percent success rate for the system, with claims that Patriots had intercepted Scud missiles launched from Iraq at Israel and Saudi Arabia. But the following year, Congressional hearings found that these claims were misleading and highly inaccurate. I was the lead staffer for the House Government Operations Committee investigation.

Rather than destroying 41 of 42 Scuds engaged, as President George H.W. Bush [and the Pentagon and Israel] claimed at the end of the war, investigators from the Congressional Research Service and the General Accounting Office determined that Patriots only hit between zero and four of 44 Scuds engaged.

 

Are you hoping for a nuke attack on Iran?

 

Impossible if the USA doesnot give refueling support in the air, or there are kamikaze pilots in the idf airforce.

 

Where did that word come from?

 

Are you thinking of the Dutch variety?

 

No I’m asking why you used the word nuclear when replying to a post about craters.

 

The US lied 33 years ago when it was at war?

That's your evidence that the US media is lying now?

 

Well, the only way Israel can hit Iran without USA support is by using rockets. I guess the load rockets can deliver is about the same, so craters will be too.
Suggesting the craters inflicted will be far bigger than the ones that did occur in/on/around a few bases, I guess can only be done by nukes.

 

No you can also create craters with good weaponry that doesn’t get shot down which IMO is the obvious interpretation given the context.

Not that big of a deal. Just know that word choices matter.

 

The OP used the word great in the to be expected comparison.
Am I wrong to suppose it's about the size of the craters?
Maybe idiom I'm not familiar with?

 

This is exactly what I meant.

 

And now it's out in the open. The radicals aren't even pretending that they're just the armed forces.
They're ready to go several steps up the ladder if Israel hits Iranian territory.

This is incredibly unusual… Iranian media is reporting that the Swiss Ambassador to Iran was summoned so that she could be warned about the consequences of a potential Israeli military strike and US involvement in such a strike.
However, the ambassador was not summoned to the foreign ministry; instead, she was summoned to the IRGC.
Summoning is a formal diplomatic tool that allows a host country to express a strong objection about a matter to a foreign diplomat.
I don't remember when a foreign diplomat in any country was summoned anywhere else but the host country's foreign ministry, much less the IRGC.​

This is incredibly unusual…

Iranian media is reporting that the Swiss Ambassador to Iran was summoned so that she could be warned about the consequences of a potential Israeli military strike and US involvement in such a strike.

However, the ambassador was not summoned to the… pic.twitter.com/ombS0J3Fz4

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) April 16, 2024

Also, Norway urges it citizens to leave Iran immediately. Their intel service is reportedly quite good

 

Where's Iranian Monitor when we need some 'splainin?

Very unusual.
But Switzerland has the role of representing the U.S. in Tehran.

So, interpretation could be: the ruling "state within the state" that is the IRGC has summoned the de facto U.S. representative to convey a threat to the U.S. and to be seen to be conveying a threat.

— Edward Hunter Christie (@EHunterChristie) April 16, 2024

 

Think it's what both governments are looking for tho

 

If the IRGC have blocked out their rivals, this is very bad for their decision-making capabilities.

 

Israel has a small number of missiles with such range, almost all presumed to be tipped with nukes.

 

1. simple math
2. inconsistent claims
3. motive
4. history of such lies
5. ....

 

Claims about what "Iranian media" is reporting should be referenced clearly to see which media they are referring to, its reliability, and aren't exactly the "best evidence" when it comes from a tweet when reports on the subject from the governments at issue (Swiss, US, Iran) are the ones to look for instead.

 

Warnings by Iran of the consequences of both an Israeli strike against Iranian interests, and the consequences of US involvement in any such strikes, have been delivered at all levels of the Iranian government, from the president, the IRGC, the foreign ministry, etc. Those warnings establish new "red lines" under a "new equation" covering Israel targeting not just targets in Iran but Iranian interests and assets abroad (e.g. Syria). The Israelis have publicly rejected this "new equation" and will be looking to see how they can test and undermine it.

 

Since Iran has called for the destruction of Israel, I'm not sure Israel really cares what new juvenile slogan they have for how they're purportedly going to respond.

 

israel doesn’t care, you are correct.

But israel is the only party of the two that has actually destroyed a country though. Crying about what Iran says on that topic is somewhat hypocritical.

 

The active involvement of the anti-Iran puppets ruling Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain and Jordan in defending Israel sees them extremely nervous and worried. The Jordanian government is almost on the brink of a nervous breakdown, with Iranian dissident channels' mockery of an Iranian drone allegedly taken down by a Jordanian "princess" in 'their' air force pretty much ending any chance of a political or public future for this "princess". The Israelis and Americans have tried to highlight the role of these Arab 'partners' in defending Israel, making these accomplices to the genocidal regime in Israel fretting badly.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/saudis-...angers-as-israel-iran-tensions-boil-1.2060052
Saudis and UAE Warn of War Dangers as Israel-Iran Tensions Boil