The Greatest Ever Centre-back

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Jul 7, 2005.

  1. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    It is up to you how you want to play it. The purpose of the thing was to put together a balanced team rather than pure fantasy so in that way you could put together a pairing who you think would be best rather than the two best players.

    Perhaps I fudged it by placing Baresi among the CBs rather than the sweepers, mea culpa.

    On the likes of Luis Perreira and Stam, they were considered, but i chose not to include them.
     
  2. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    UK
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    No Bobby Moore? Pele said he was the best defender he ever played against
     
  3. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Look in the sweepers poll.
     
  4. Kaushik

    Kaushik Member

    Jun 6, 2004
    Toronto
    I remember Pele saying that the greatest 'defender' he ever faced was Gordon Banks.
     
  5. Sempre

    Sempre ****************** Member+

    Mar 4, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I asked the same question--Bob Moore was a center-half, not
    a sweeper. And he was absolutely fantastic.
     
  6. Sempre

    Sempre ****************** Member+

    Mar 4, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I am not in sync with this. How often was Baresi ever beat in
    the air?
     
  7. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    its not an issue of him getting beat in the air all that often because if paired with a burly CB like he often was, the toughest marking assignment in terms of physical strength and aerial prowess would go to the other cb, unless that player was also a technical genius who needed to be shut down on the ground as well.

    A better question would be how often did he face the type of forwards DS described with the responsibility of shutting them down without the aid or a CB parnter who was a destructive force.
     
  8. Sempre

    Sempre ****************** Member+

    Mar 4, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    :confused: Baresi was about as athletic as defenders
    get, and he was great in the air. Since Klose and Ferguson,
    as far as I know, have only ever scored with their heads
    (even on penalty kicks they use their heads) I don't see
    where the problem would lie.

    By the way the idea of Duncan Ferguson scoring on a back-
    line of Maldini, Baresi, Beckennauer, Cafu, and Yashin is so
    funny that I'd like to photo-shop it. What an image. :eek:
     
  9. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
    Purged by RvN

    WHO?
     
  10. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Duncan Ferguson is just one of those guys who drinks too much scotch. He's very temperamental. I hear stories about him being a tough guy and he's a guy that you wouldn't wan to mess with. Honestly, when you have a name like Maldini or Baresi, why would you need to be scared of a pisspot like Ferguson?
     
  11. tino11

    tino11 New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Karlsruhe - Germany
    Koeman for me on this one. Think some fantastic players are being missed here because due to the nature of their country's status they never were considered. I have not seen many traditional defenders with the hard edge, tackling ability, and sheer grit that Willie Miller had for Aberdeen and Scotland. He was also a European Cup winner let's not forget.
     
  12. thepundit

    thepundit Member

    Jan 1, 2005
    Tacoma, WA
    Desailly was really fast and good, i won't say that he was better than Baresi because i never saw the latter play, but i think Mr. Baresi would've been proud of the job Mr. Desailly did in containing the Brazilian juggernaut in 1998.
     
  13. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    In the 1993-94 season, they were teammates at AC Milan.
     
  14. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    Elias Figueroa surely needed to be on the list, oh well

    dosnt matter

    cause I voted for baresi
     
  15. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Don Elias is among the sweepers, he is in that poll.
     
  16. Wonderwall952

    Wonderwall952 Member

    Oct 14, 2006
    So would players like Varela and Ocwirk be considered as a central defenders in modern day formations?
     
  17. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    It's difficult to say and would depend more on the player.

    Somebody like Ocwirk would not be a defender, he would be a midfielder. Someone like Santamaria or Varela would I think be a central defender.

    Equally for the wing-halfs someone like Blanchflower would be a midfielder, someone like Nestor Gonsalves (the great Uruguayan right-half) would be a right-back probably or possibly a centre back.
     
  18. Twix

    Twix New Member

    Apr 28, 2007
    What would Bozkik be?

    He was a technically brilliant player, so would he be a midfielder in the modern game as well?
     
  19. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Almost certainly a midfielder.
     
  20. impalemeplz

    impalemeplz Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    Sydney
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    i always thought that rijkaard played his best, in midfield, alongside another dm like ancelotti but what do i know:p

    on another note, where is krol? hmmm
     
  21. Kulspruta

    Kulspruta New Member

    Jul 26, 2007
    BH, Brazil
    Club:
    Cruzeiro Belo Horizonte
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I bet anyone who has seen Carlos Gamarra in the brazilian league in the nineties is itching to post his name. Too late now, I already did. :cool:
     
  22. Mad2Ad

    Mad2Ad Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    Leicester, Uk
    Ive already stated quite a while ago that bobby moore was my favourite for the sheer lake of raw talent and how he made up for it by having the best football brain to date. In my opinion of course:)
     
  23. Seaside Mafia

    Seaside Mafia New Member

    May 29, 2005
    London
    Larf! Duncan Ferguson an oaf? A rare example of a big guy with skill. Yes, he was a physical player, and you won't see a more dominant player in the air. However, he also had skill.
    Having said that, you're right in that Baresi and Beckenbauer would struggle with him.
     
  24. Seaside Mafia

    Seaside Mafia New Member

    May 29, 2005
    London
    Given decent service and a fair referee I think Big Dunc would have given them nightmares. Every YouTube monatge shows as many goals with his feet as with his head.
     
  25. Seaside Mafia

    Seaside Mafia New Member

    May 29, 2005
    London
    I see that Bobby Moore doesn't feature. However, an equally glaring ommission is the player that I would have voted for - John Charles. World class at both centre back and striker.
     

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