The Global Warming Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by NickyViola, Nov 30, 2009.

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  1. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yeah, if you on a motorized or e-whatever that can go over, say, 20mph you should need to get a license and registration and subject to speed traps, point deductions, etc. like everyone else on the road.

    That said, the e-CitiBike incident in which a pedestrian was killed* is probably the worst example one can use when arguing for such changes. For starters, it kind of looks like the d-bag on the bicycle had the light (first time for everything, I suppose :cool: ). Secondly, those e-bikes are designed with a max speed built into them that isn't very fast. One can easily attain higher speeds with an old-fashioned peddle bicycle.

    [* and it goes without saying that it was a hit-and-run]
     
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  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
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    It wasn't a hit and run. The rider got off the bike, helped the woman up then got the police. The police said he could leave.

    I have cycled in NYC a lot and people walk and even stand chatting in the bike lanes, step out into the street without looking and, of course, if you haven't been car doored you're not a real urban cyclist.
     
  3. Mike03

    Mike03 Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Seattle
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    https://www.theguardian.com/technol...-musk-climate-misinformation-social-platforms

    Musk burning all of his pro-environment cred. He should start a line of gas guzzlers to fully own the libs.
     
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  4. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    And ... bicyclists not only routinely run red lights, in high traffic and high pedestrian areas, but also commonly do so while biking against the traffic, on the wrong side of the street.

    As a pedestrian living in NY, I am far fonder of cars than I am of bicycles. Although to be sure ebikes are worse yet.
     
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  5. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    Next time I get the chance, I'll be aiming to run over your toes.
     
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  6. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Make sure you get the skinny tires pumped up to 100psi.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    This is totally common here - you have to always have an eye peeled for the "falschfahrer' in the bike lane at intersections. Many smaller one way streets actually allow this
     
  8. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Does that sort of thing imply we should be applying safe road use laws to bicycles or other 2 wheeled modes of transport as well as cars? It's hard to see any justification for allowing unsafe use of ANY vehicle.

    If people are riding the wrong way up the road then they should be charged, shouldn't they? If that isn't enforced then maybe we need to invest more money into traffic cameras and suchlike to make sure it is.
     
  9. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
    Fornax Cluster
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    I rode an e-Citibike in NYC a few weeks back and those things can haul ass -- and they are HEAVY. I could easily see someone being killed if they were tagged straight on with one.
     
  10. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
    Fornax Cluster
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    I grew up in a house in the United States without AC and the summer temperatures regularly exceeded 100 degrees. We had fans and a swamp cooler. I obviously survived.
     
  11. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    No test, no license, no road rules and no insurance.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
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    Of course I ran red lights but only if there were no pedestrians around. It's illegal but actually safer as it gives you a head start on the cars, trucks and busses making you visible.

    Biking against traffic or on the wrong side of the street is an abomination and should be enforced through summary executions. In other words it's OK for me to break the law but THOSE PEOPLE, NO!
     
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  13. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Now that's a sentiment that I understand.

    I must confess this is one topic where both sides do it. Central Park has bicycling-only streets -- no cars permitted -- that have both traffic lights and crosswalks. No biker ever obeys the light; they will always zoom through it, unless there are too many pedestrians blocking them. And no pedestrian ever walks over to use the crosswalk (if they happen to cross there, it's by sheer accident) and no pedestrian ever waits for the light to change before crossing.

    To add to the collective guilt, no policeman ever admonishes any of those parties or ever makes the attempt to have the law enforced.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
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    United States
    They've tried making the bikes obey the lights a few times. But generally people feel the lights only apply when the park is open to traffic, which it hasn't been since 2018.

    In tourist season you just try and stay away from the Lower Loop. Running wise I preferred the bridle path anyway, horse free since 2007.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    Belgium
    it’s actually fine if properly controlled and a good upside to biking that you can go against the one way.
     
  16. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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  17. cachundo

    cachundo Marketa Davidova. Unicorn. World Champion

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    Feb 8, 2002
    Genesis 16:12...He shall be a wild ass among men
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  18. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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  19. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yeah, in general e-bikes are way heavier than their human-powered counterparts, which is why we will see deaths on the roadway caused by 2-wheeler d-bags increase quite dramatically in the coming years (p = m • v). Not sure why we are waiting for those bigger numbers to be reached before enforcing some basic laws on 2-wheelers. Guess cops are too busy dealing with off-leash dogs in parks or giving out tickets to cars parked at a meter 3 minutes after their time expires.
     
  20. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Fully agree. E-bikers act as if they are bicyclists, running lights and dodging around pedestrians in the same fashion, but they're effecively doing so while riding semi-motorcycles. Quiet ones, too. They are the biggest menace on the NYC roads, by far.
     
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  21. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Before I left the industry, there was a pretty bad fire & smoke year in and around Yakima Valley, where lots of the hops are grown. The area is a basin, like SLC is, so they deal with inversions and trapped pollutants too.

    When the hops are harvested, they have to get kiln dried pretty soon after being picked. This entails hot air being blown underneath big beds of hops that are sometimes getting turned. (Lots of controversy over doing this at the lower end of 120F or higher end of 145F.) Because of the smoke that year, there were several batches of hops we screened that picked up significant smoke aroma. The ones that were kiln dried during the worst of the smoke were unusable, unless you were making a rauch bier.

    Another year temps spiked heavy in June, and then there was a wet couple of weeks in July. It really threw off hop quality and quantity for some varieties, both others did fine or even excelled. The basic gist is: it is going to be hard to predict hop quality and quantity, making the brewers of IPAs have to get even more attentive and creative to keep their beer somewhat consistent (always a struggle regardless). Wet summers in Europe have also made hop growing difficult, as pests, fungus, mold, etc... all are exacerbated.

    This won't be so much a problem for non-hoppy beers.
     
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  22. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    At LAST... someone's started thinking about the REAL problems of climate change and not just this 'it's a tad warm' nonsense we keep getting.
     
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  23. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    Since I can't stand IPAs I'll go ahead and file this under "Climate change isn't real FOR ME"

    :)
     
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  24. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
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    Seattle Sounders
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    France
    Just as long as it doesn't affect the good gluten free beers! (Not that there are many of them, mind you)
     
  25. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Maybe smokey beer will take off, like Mezcal did. :coffee:
     

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