The Global Warming Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by NickyViola, Nov 30, 2009.

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  1. Dr. Wankler

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    English website Unherd.com has an article on her, connecting it to the Right wing's hunger for celebrity:

    https://unherd.com/2020/03/the-cringe-of-conservative-celebrity-worship/


    . . . nonetheless there Naomi Seibt was, at CPAC, in The Guardian and also on Fox News, where she was interviewed by Dana Perino, Bush’s ex-press secretary. I saw a slightly awkward yet highly articulate teenager, speaking excellent English, who was repeating things she had heard from adults, while being condescended to by an adult. So maybe she really was like Greta Thunberg.

    But as the interview continued, I felt the same way I do when I see Thunberg: concerned that this type of exposure is not good for a vulnerable young person. I thought about the insults lobbed at Thunberg, and worried that Naomi Seibt would become the target of unhinged Twitter shitheads who would see it as their divine mission to destroy her life.

    May Naomi’s brush with the limelight be brief, and may she return to a normal life in whichever German town it is she inhabits. Yet even if she does, the apparent craving of the folks at CPAC for a Greta of their very own, only saying the opposite things, is striking. It was the Right, after all, that produced the first movie star president and the first reality TV show president.As much as they deride Hollywood liberals, so too there is a not so secret yearning that hopelessly uninformed celebs will one day mouth their platitudes instead.

    This schizophrenic attitude was perfectly encapsulated by Big Hollywood, a site started by Andrew Breitbart which has since been subsumed into the site that bears his name. Breitbart had worked on the Huffington Post and wanted to create a conservative version, where hitherto closeted Right-wingers in Hollywood could post blogs and begin a cultural revolution.

    But it was difficult to get famous Right-wingers to blog, so mostly you got articles attacking Hollywood liberals for their vacuous political statements, while the vacuous statements of Jon Voight, the co-star of Midnight Cowboy father of Angelina Jolie, were quoted again and again as if he were a conservative oracle.

    Another problem is that since openly conservative celebrities are so thin on the ground, when they beclown themselves, there is nowhere else to go.{/indent]​
     
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  2. ceezmad

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    Kind of older news, but put on a chart.

    The simplest and cheapest way to replace nuclear power, is by burning coal.

    Japan is going backwards.

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    https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...-japans-power-supply-is-making-little-headway
     
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  3. dapip

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    The Artic is hotter than Miami....




     
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  4. xtomx

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    It's summer, of course it is warmer (using the Jim Inhofe "Climate change is a hoax because I could make a snowball in January in Washington DC" line of il-'logic')
     
  5. Naughtius Maximus

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    I don't know if people follow this guy, (unless they're fans of red dwarf, maybe not), but Robert Llewelyn, (AKA Kryten), has a series on the web called 'Fully Charged' about electric vehicles which seems pertinent and this caught my eye...



    If UPS have order 10,000 from a company that's only 5 years old that might make other delivery companies pay attention.

    But the other thing is that, tbh, this seems like an updated version of the old milk floats which delivered milk, (among other regular staples), to people's doors over here for decades, starting in the 30's.

     
  6. Q*bert Jones III

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    Because there were 20 other controversies yesterday, nobody noticed that the president of the United States said that global warming is no big deal, somewhere down below nuclear disarmament with Russia.
     
  7. NORML

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    Humans are awful stewards of Earth, who ever picked us to have that job is moron.

    thecutlink
     
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  8. ceezmad

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    A documentary on the political issues that wind power may be facing in Germany.

     
  9. Naughtius Maximus

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    Isn't that just, y'know... Wednesday?
     
  10. xtomx

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    You calling God a "moron"?!?
    That might make some people pretty mad.
     
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  11. NORML

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    Moron may be a bit harsh maybe instead saying God appears not to be infallible is a more polite way to say it.


     
  12. NORML

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    the ball is rolling down the hill and it is speeding up.

    don't worry though we have people at high levels at NOAA who are on the-

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. raza_rebel

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    Does anyone have a YouTube video for this $hitstain's conference today regarding California's recent wildfires? Given 45's COVID-19 confessions to Bob Woodward, I can't decide if it's maliciously stupid or just plain stupid. Is it an inexcusable but legitimate misunderstanding between weather and climate or is it a cynical argument for political gain with idiot followers?

    I'm guessing the latter. But he also looked straight into the sun during a eclipse.
     
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  14. Naughtius Maximus

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    Bump... but with some good news, (hopefully!).


    Electric car batteries with five-minute charging times produced
    Exclusive: first factory production means recharging could soon be as fast as filling up petrol or diesel vehicles

    Batteries capable of fully charging in five minutes have been produced in a factory for the first time, marking a significant step towards electric cars becoming as fast to charge as filling up petrol or diesel vehicles.

    The bit that caught my attention was this aspect which, I admit, I hadn't really thought about...

    “I think such fast-charging batteries will be available to the mass market in three years,” said Prof Chao-Yang Wang, at the Battery and Energy Storage Technology Center at Pennsylvania State University in the US. “They will not be more expensive; in fact, they allow automakers to downsize the onboard battery while still eliminating range anxiety, thereby dramatically cutting down the vehicle battery cost.”

    If they're not only greener, cheaper to run but also cheaper to buy, why would anyone NOT want an electric car?

    Apart from anything most people will be able to 'fill up' their cars at home overnight. Try doing THAT with an ICE.

    IOW if the car if always full when you start the day how many people will be going more than, say, 100 miles in a typical day? Probably not that many.
     
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  15. Chicago76

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    They’re still more expensive than conventional. The carbon footprint over the life of the vehicle may also still be higher. It is on the manufacturing and salvage side. The only question is how much ground is made up during the life of the vehicle. The lower your annual mileage, the less ground electrics make up. The more fossil fuel reliant your electricity source, the less ground electrics make up. It is more carbon friendly to use an electric that sources coal than an internal combustion engine, but it not carbon friendly “enough”.

    We’re a very low mileage household at under 10k/yr in a non-pandemic year and the grid is overwhelmingly coal fueled here. So for us (and most people in our region), electrics don’t yet make sense from a cost or environmental standpoint.

    A smaller battery reduces the manufacturing and salvage footprint, but the single biggest issue at this point is shifting energy source at the grid level away from carbon. We need better utility scale battery tech.

    Sometime this decade, we’re going to have flow batteries that will put solar and wind generation/storage costs on par with natural gas. This will lead to a rapid decarbonization of the grid. In the mean time, we’re trying to keep our current vehicles in good order until 2026-28 to ensure they’re the last non-EVs we own.
     
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  16. raza_rebel

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  17. Minnman

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    Good news:

    Court Voids a ‘Tortured’ Trump Climate Rollback

     
  18. raza_rebel

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  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    That is one of my long running absurdities.

    You essentially drive a coal powered car :laugh::ROFLMAO:
     
  20. dapip

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    This could be a relatively easy infrastructure to replace and at the present moment, I think a big bang for your buck, plus a smart use of money to generate jobs.

    Simply give everyone solar panels or windmills and install car chargers in every single rest stop in the US and at every federal facility. Then rollout huge subsidies for people to buy electric cars and pay good bucks to retire gas powered vehicles. You could have a substantially cleaner grid in less than a decade.
     
  21. InTheSun

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    Misleading. Even if you're running 100% coal at the plant, it's still 30% cleaner than at the tailpipe. There's hardly any states, at least in the US, that are 100% coal.
     
  22. Chicago76

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    It is much cheaper to dump utility scale solar and wind on the grid to than it is to drop small solar charging stations everywhere. Excess daytime generation (solar) is basically “matched” with daytime EV charging. Same with night time excess (wind). There are also community renewables agreements where localities can “buy in” to a project to source their electricity that way. But looking at the grid as a whole, storage technology needs to become more cost effective.

    At that point (probably in a few more years), we’ll start seeing gas peaker plants being decommissioned the same way we have with coal. Outside of coal, peakers are the dirtiest things still hooked up to the grid. Those are the plants that are idle 90% of the year that are fired up during hot summer days when cooling demand spikes.

    Very true. Especially at the state level. But we consume electricity at more the more local level. Example: northern Indiana has more nuclear and wind. Central more gas. But southern is almost completely coal. Most of the Ohio Valley is. Gas is better. And gas is the dominant source today. But even running an EV on electricity sourced from gas substantially cuts into the benefit of reducing tailpipe emissions. Renewables aren’t a great replacement for base capacity...yet.
     
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    True but it is green washing

    This came up a lot in germany e.g Deutsche Bahn were promoting "clean" infrastructure - when much of the energy came from coal plants
     
  24. rslfanboy

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    So..... This is in one of the 2 popular news publications in Utah:
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    Will somebody PLEASE think of the waste?!!?!?

    No mention of the waste resultant of whole cities being swallowed up by the oceans.
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yes but it is an example of greenwashing.

    For instance Teh KiDz get around on their Lime Scooters, but those things are charged by rando crews who likely have the cheapest power at home, whereas I pay the renewable rates - so even though Germany has a high proportion of renewable on the grid - those are coal powered scooters in the main

    You could just ride a bike with zero emissions, and pay nothing for the first 30 mins via Hamburg City Bikes.

    IMO the real promise is batteries combined with selfdrive - because then your car does not sit uselessly at home, but rather goes out and does other rides, so that the number of vehicles is hugely reduced, and journeys can be optimised
     

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