Do England even have that many people to support this, especially with the rise of other sports and obesity?
Dyke is not some random guy, you know. Clubs would naturally tell him for bug off but, witnessing the UEFA and the FIFA destruction of football, bureaucrats like Dyke, Blatter and Platini hold a lot of sway.
From the article posted by @Sergei_Shtaniuk in the Agudelo thread... http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27327502 Such a draconian rule would have a big impact on Yanks, but it doesn't seem likely to encourage the development of English players. Clubs can just import from elsewhere within the EU. Areas 1, 3, and 4 seem like better opportunities for them to improve.
Right. It's not really Americans or Africans or Japanese that are really the problem. It's the Spaniards, Germans, French, Belgians, etc. that are being hoovered up by these clubs. You look at the roster of say..............Arsenal, and their current 1st team roster already has less than two non-EU players. In theory its Ryo Miyaichi who never plays. And that's it. so what does the proposal solve? I don't know. From what I've seen on-line the "big clubs" are all in favor of recent proposals. However much of the championship and below is vehemently opposed to it. Basically this policy would severely restrict the players that lower level clubs could have access to. The rich would keep getting richer. As many of us have stated the difference between Germany and the UK is a DESIRE amongst the German owners and front offices to develop German talent. All German clubs are majority owned by Germans. What do Stan Kroenke, Roman Abramovic, the Glazers, etc. care about the English national team? Nothing....................they care about their club lifting trophies and making money.
This is beyond stupid. Germany has practically no restrictions on foreign players but around 50% of the league is German. Why? Youth development and patience. Teams actually give their youth players a chance. Young players have slumps and make mistakes, but the clubs keep putting them back out there on the field. Same goes with Spain and Holland and Belgium, ect. There was an interesting series of videos on Bundesliga.com about youth development in Germany. This one in particular has interviews talking about the importance of giving young players opportunities: http://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga-tv/inc/video_flv/hintergrund/0000293377.inc.php The rest of the series is here: http://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga-tv/inc/video_flv/hintergrund/0000293375.inc.php http://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga-tv/inc/video_flv/interview/0000293379.inc.php http://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga-tv/inc/video_flv/highlights/0000293395.inc.php http://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga-tv/inc/video_flv/highlights/0000293399.inc.php http://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga-tv/inc/video_flv/highlights/0000293351.inc.php Everywhere else in Europe, you see this. You see more young players getting opportunities at the top level.
The ideas have got a kicking wherever I've seen, so hopefully it will be quietly scrapped, like the Premier League's Game 39. They have spectacularly missed the point. The problem isnt the quantity of English players we produce, its the quality. No English Messi has missed his chance because of foreigners, we just dont produce enough star quality. We dont train the players well enough and have only a fraction of the top class coaches that Spain and Germany. Its a lazy cop out. The methods that NEED to be put in place such as better youth coaching and better training of coaches themselves will take years to bear fruition, so we've gone for something which can be enacted quickly and (they hope) bear quick results so Dyke can take the plaudits. The man's a clown
It wont work. It cant work. I think it might even be illegal within the EU. What happens when a Premier League team is relegated? Do they have sell all their non-EU players? Madness
The biggest problem in England right now (in my opinion) is a lack of stability for young players. Some of the kids have played for more teams on loan than have appearances for their parent club. One change that I want to see is ensuring that players 23 and younger who are loaned out are either loaned out for half a season or full season. In addition, allow players under 23 to go at a discounted fee or free transfer if they have been loaned more than 3 times from a parent club. The reason I bring this up is because it is a pity to see talented English kids like Josh McEachran, Ryan Bertrand, Sam Hutchinson, Jake Livermore, Harry Kane, Andros Towsend, and Tom Carroll never really settle at a club for a period of time to show what they are capable of. They are just bouncing around. When they finally have some stability, they have gotten a chance to show what they are made of like Huddlestone did and Townsend has done. Keep in mind, these are just players on the books at Chelsea and Tottenham.
In fairness, your point about coaching is one of the four areas that they identify (and for the record, I agree that it's a big one). On a separate note re: your point about quick fixes, the U21 Premier League is only a few years old. They'll look like headless chickens if they overhaul it before they've given it time to mature.
I think another huge factor is that the money is just too damn much in the Prem. The stakes are too high to take a chance with a youngster. And because of the way UEFA divides up CL money, at the top end of the table clubs are going to be afraid of a youngster's slump putting them in 5th instead of 4th. Really, the English national team is a victim of the success of the English club game.
Its not like youngsters dont get games though. Those who are good enough tend to play. Too many loans isnt good for anyone, but I think a set time limit could be a problem if a loan doesnt work out. A player could be stuck at a club who doesnt want them. The majority of those players named arent really good enough, bar Bertrand and possibly Carroll. Livermore will have a solid Premier League career, but the rest are Championship level
what do the fans think? How insane is it that the English are so upset with many foreigners in the PL? It's not as if there aren't many English footballers playing in the lower leagues or semi-pro. Simply put some of these players aren't good enough to play in the PL or maybe they cost too much or the clubs not being patient enough on them. But it's crazy the extent they go to preserve their "national game"
Dyke obviously makes no connection between foreign players and the league's popularity in all the places from which these players come from. As to the Three Lions - the problem is the general lack of skill among the best players. During the last Euros, that English team could barely hold on to the ball. But that's a huge departure from the "classic" English teams from 1966 and 1970, which actually were both athletic and skillful. In their present state, they are often neither.
From an MLS perspective, anything that sends Africans and South Americans out of the Prem is good. Anything that weakens any of the leagues with better players and better payrolls than MLS will drive players down the food chain.
It's classic FA "magic bullet" thinking, looking for a quick fix that will solve all problems, rather than addressing the real issue of coaching standards. They also seem to have no grasp at all of the impact it'd have on the lower divisions. The idea expressed by Danny Mills, that lower division fans would find B team opponents more attractive than normal league opponents, shows a complete lack of understanding. Fans in Germany hate the system. The B team clubs offer nothing to the other clubs. They bring no supporters to games, attract lower than normal gates, bring in no interest to the league, yet have resources real clubs, who have to earn a living, can't match.