The Distract Me From 2020s P&CE Thread

I bought the scale model a few years ago. This is a gull wing, right?

 

Really? I hadn't picked up on that?



I was a veggie, (albeit not vegan coz it's too much of a pain in the arse), for several years but some people* might say that with meat production apparently now helping to destroy the planet, it's YOU lot who should stay at home

Meat accounts for nearly 60% of all greenhouse gases from food production, study finds

Having said that I've also been a carnivore for several years, so...


* Not me, of course, because I'm a very nice and polite person

 

There's no doubt that veganism is the sustainable, correct way to live. But vegans can be a bit annoying because there are 3 main reasons people become a vegan and they tend to jump on all 3 so they can feel morally superior (even though it was probably just 1 of those 3 reasons that swayed them to become a vegan).

It would be like if I go around bragging how I'm helping the planet by not having kids when that's really not at all the reason I don't want kids, if I'm being honest.

 

I stopped eating meat for some years because I didn't think it particularly moral to kill something for my pleasure when I didn't have to. I stopped when I met TLW because she wasn't going to go vegetarian and I wasn't that moral I was prepared to do the cooking coz, y'know... let's no go crazy here

If people asked me why I was a veggie I'd tell them but other than that I wouldn't volunteer the information.

Of course, since then, the situation has changed in that not eating meat also helps in not destroying the planet and aiding me in that whole 'breathing' business I've found so agreeable over the years.

YMMV

 

Well, so YOU say!!!

 

lol Where did I infer that "all" vegans act morally superior? I said they can tend to act that way, which let's be honest is true. Heck, you said as much in your response above.

[My post also distinguished between vegans and vegetarians ( I was clearly talking about vegans) so not sure what you were reading ]

 

There's quite a bit of doubt, actually:



The book argues that veganism is every bit as tied into corporate agribusiness as is the typical omnivore diet, and thus equally unsustainable and damaging to the planet in the long run. Not to mention nutritionally dubious. The solution is smarter agriculture, including animals, that directs more of the animal wastes into the ground (where it can rebuild our rapidly diminishing topsoil) as opposed to into the atmosphere.

 

No, I'm only a 67 year old left-wing male who, over half a century ago was a vegetarian so, please go ahead and explain it to me

 

Based on the amount of flatulence I've had today following a solid vegetarian meal yesterday, I'm not sure cutting out meat is going to reduce greenhouse gases.

 

Feels like digging for excuses not to become vegan. Sure, smarter agriculture and preventing animal torture is needed. And then along with that, normal eating would help greatly. That doesn't have to be vegan. But eating meat 14 times per week is overkill literally and figuratively.

In short, a shift in mindset is needed. And that book seems to be arguing along very similar lines as your typical vegan in that regard, though they might disagree slightly on the extent of that shift.

 

lol at the idea of somebody like that using a repair shop, they probably have their own private, live-in mechanic for their classic car collection.

 

Actually, there are specialized shops and dealerships that works exclusively on classic vehicles. A good friend has a decent collection and the place he uses comes out to his facility on a regular schedule to keep them all in driving condition.

 

lol at the idea that the same mechanic that knows how to repair a '57 Mercedes also knows his way around Chevy Camaro.

 

Vegetarian is just fine too. You don't have to go full vegan. But then again, everyone defines what veg/vegan means to them. The label is dumb.

Honestly, meat consumption can be done sustainably. However, having meat for every meal is the current standard, and that is VERY far from sustainable. I'd think generally 6oz/wk on average would be plenty.

Strict Vegans also don't use honey, wool, dairy, certain dyes, shellac, silk, etc... It seems like grandstanding more to me than anything else. I know a lot of people are struggling to find something true and pure to grasp onto. Many get into it with the right intentions, but it turns into a religion of purity.

We all just need to relax and drink a homebrew. And eat less meat.

 

Well...I'm doing my part as a quasi vegan by putting onions, peppers and shrooms on my sausage grinder.

 

How did you know I'm 67?

 

True. That's the cool thing about veganism. Your actions can still result in a positive impact in all 3 areas (health, planet, animals) even if you don't go all in.

With most bad habits you have to quit 100% otherwise its pointless. Like cheating on your wife half as much isn't accomplishing anything. Similarly for most hard drugs. But going half-way towards vegan still yields positive results. If anything the benefit versus effort curve begins to taper-off as you approach 100% vegan.

 

From what I can tell, there has never been a human population able to sustain itself without using animals for food and clothing, and even fuel. There have been vegetarian populations, some of which maintained a decent standard of health, but they seem to have relied on dairy products, eggs, honey, etc...

To me, the worst grandstanding element of the purity-emphasizing vegans is the faulty assumption that we can remove ourselves from the food chain. We're involved in the web of life, as bloody and as fatal as that may be, regardless of how much it offends our sensibilities.

 

We're not out of the food chain?