I read just fine. Your point was that the event had the time to wait to get the answers you wanted because the event wasn't for 4 weeks. My point was that it was prudent to make a proactive decision now without waiting to get those answers and doing so was in line with the broader public making similar decisions to minimize risk and potential exposure. No ego involved and no twisting in the wind. Just two different opinions apparently.
NCAA imposed a “dead period” for D1 until April 15. No visits, contacts, evals, etc. Events are cancelled anyway and some campuses closed but now every coach (and teacher) in America can just golf until Easter! it’s hard to train a team online. E-sports now sounds pretty cool. Catch up on your reading I guess.
Just following along here. Can you explain why canceling a month in advance minimizes risk and potential exposure? If you wait two weeks prior and then make the call have those two weeks endangered anyone? In two or three weeks time if it’s still prudent, cancel! But if things in 3 weeks look drastically different you can’t go ahead with it. I agree with the orgs putting dates for reconsideration out there.
Don’t think this thing is going away any time soon. but...here’s one reason: Let’s say someone contracts the virus in one week, they don’t show symptoms for 2 more weeks, In that time they infect a teammate or friend, they don’t show symptoms for two weeks, that’s already four weeks right there. If we can isolate anyone who already has it then maybe this thing spreads more slowly or is contained in a few weeks. I think we will be talking about this at least through May, though.
Why did they cancel the Masters? It’s 4 weeks out and they could just wait to see what happens. I think it’s about society as a collective agreeing to take a pause, and do what’s necessary to control what has the potential to get really really bad If we just wait and see. Could that one even have decided to wait 2, maybe 3 more weeks to decide? Sure. But as I said a few posts back it’s bigger than that one event. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. The more people that are willing to make some short term sacrifices the quicker we will be back to normal.
Well, no. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic started killing people in Boston in Spring 1918 and was still killing people in Spring 1919. three events are thought to have contributed. The two Boston Marathons and the End of WWI celebration, which brought masses together.
True. But I think medicine, healthcare and ability to communicate through television and other credible media (tongue in cheek is there any anymore) is a little better today than events over a century ago. Should we include the plague as well in the discussion? It gets ridiculous sometimes. I heard someone compare it to Orson Wells and War of the Worlds. Tune those radios in. Sound affects included.
I was talking to a ER Doctor friend of mine, and they believe they have identified 500 potential cases at their hospital alone (confirmed case count in our area is 3) but can’t be sure because they don’t have the tests available. He is 100 percent certain that the numbers are exponentially higher than what is being reported nationally, but by people taking precautions and inconveniencing themselves for the next several weeks it will help things from really getting out of control, plateau, and hopefully become manageable. Crazy times for sure.
I know this is an anonymous forum so you won’t want to say exactly where you are at but what region of the nation are you in?
True. Brother is an MD. He has been seeing a lot of patients in the past several weeks. People with flu, bronchitis, strep throat, mono and such. No corona. This awareness is causing more people to go to the doctor instead of self treating which is good. He said some of them should be seeing a medical professional instead of self treating. According to the CDC, there are 1600 confirmed cases in the US as of today. 41 deaths. People in their 60's and older most with pre existing lung problems and some that traveled to china. Being aware and erring on side of caution is great. The media should be calming fears not ramping them up. Some people in my community are afraid to leave their homes. Walter Cronkite, you are sorely missed.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html This was sent to me and it is updated regularly. Thought I would share. We are all in this together.
I hope I'm wrong but I believe this will be terrible for everyone. The exponential growth rate is likely to overwhelm the medical system of the U.S. as it has Italy. The sad thing is intelligent people warned about this approximately 5 years ago: What was done? There is a real chance this will factor into the fall season if a major advancement in treatment/immunization is not developed and implemented on a wide scale basis. People need to isolate even if your community currently has not positive cases. The problem is most people have heard warnings all their lives and they never really materialized into anything this big (ex. Hurricanes, tornadoes, weather, etc...) Sure, some people suffered but not the entire country. This is different and everyone needs to understand the implications. This is way bigger than "spring break" or the ecnl, or any other negative thing that happens to an individual. https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser I hope this post finds you all well and I also hope you all are staying isolated for the health of the country.
Staying in your home is the best thing people can do. Many hospitals still don't have tests to get on-site results. Patients are sent home and get the results days later. Many don't get tested. Way more people are infected than most people realize. Many won't even really know it. There isn't a national emergency for nothing. There is a person in Kentucky who tested positive and refused self-quarantine. https://www.kentucky.com/news/health-and-medicine/article241200076.html A man in Williamsburg, VA died and never traveled or was high risk so was infected somewhere in the community. https://wydaily.com/local-news/2020...h-in-the-state-reported-in-james-city-county/ The Governor of Ohio said that experts believe there are 100,000 in that state alone: .@DrAmyActon: I know it is hard to understand #COVID19 since we can't see it, but we know that 1% of our population is carrying this virus today -- that's over 100,000 people.— Governor Mike DeWine (@GovMikeDeWine) March 12, 2020 This isn't about ramping up fears. It is about telling the facts and informing people to act accordingly.
France closed all movie theaters, cafes, restaurants. They are only a little bit ahead of us. Now it is starting in the U.S. Hoboken Wow. In Hoboken, bars are no longer allowed to operate and restaurants can only serve delivery and takeout. pic.twitter.com/indYPZNmTm— Alex Cohen 🤠 (@anothercohen) March 15, 2020 Southeastern PA https://whyy.org/articles/coronavir...n-j-at-50-delaware-adds-two-more-out-of-udel/ The state Department of Community and Economic Development issued guidelines Saturday for which types of businesses and spaces fall under the “nonessential” umbrella and are being urged to close. They include community centers, gyms, hair salons, nail salons and spas, casinos, concert venues, theaters, bars, sporting event venues and golf courses, and retail facilities including shopping malls. “If we can slow the spread of this virus, we can flatten the curve or we can keep an enormous number of Pennsylvanians from needing the kind of emergency treatment at the same time,” Wolf said. “It’s going to overwhelm our health care system. This is what we need to do and we need to do it now, by instead of having a steady stream of patients over time, health care providers can provide the highest level of care to everyone right now, and that’s going to save lives.” Wolf urged that Pennsylvanians avoid public spaces if they can at this time.
Someone should say that to Boris Johnson, who apparently (judging at what he said himself about two days ago) is ok with mass death to allegedly buy "herd immunity" for the rest of its country (i.e. those don't didn't immediately die in overwhelmed hospitals).
Being afraid to leave your home is not understanding what is going on. If you are not ill, while avoiding crowds and being smart, you can walk your dog, go for a run or bike, sit on your front porch, open your windows.... I have delivered groceries to neighbors who have been sealed in their residences. They are terrified. And some are not elderly or do not have pre existing lung problems/compromised immune systems. Will be interesting to see the CDC numbers after the weekend.
Generally agree with some of your sentiments, going outside to walk your dog shouldn't result in viral spread if no contact is made with others. Contact with others (big or small is a big deal) There is one major issue your post notes: "IF YOU ARE NOT ILL" How do you know? You could feel fine today and in X days have something. The NBA player who touched the mics is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of this for everyone. He wasn't sick. He felt fine. He was going to play an NBA game. Then reality hit him. He infected others as a result of careless behaviour. He apologized but feels terrible now. Current science says: Estimated median incubation time (IT) of COVID-19 was 5.1 days; mean IT was 5.5 days. For 97.5% of infected persons, symptoms appear by 11.5 days. Fewer than 2.5% are symptomatic within 2.2 days. Estimated median IT to fever was 5.7 days. Among 108 patients diagnosed outside mainland China, median IT was 5.5 days; the 73 patients diagnosed inside China had a median IT of 4.8 days. Using exposures designated as high risk and a 7-day monitoring period, the estimate for missed cases was 21.2 per 10,000. After 14 days, the estimated number of missed high-risk cases was 1 per 10,000 patients. 14 days won't stop all transmissions as some outlier cases show asymptomatic patients for 21+ days. However, it is what the science is currently recommending to slow the spread. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/study-highlights-ease-spread-covid-19-viruses Data generally back 2-week quarantine We could have put a huge dent in this weeks ago by a mandatory quarantine, instead we now face a national outbreak because of a poorly informed public and poor decisions by authorities at all levels. Pay now or pay later. Unfortunately the cost of delays escalates the future costs exponentially as well. Stay safe. Taiwan stopped an outbreak early, https://www.dw.com/en/taiwan-coronavirus/a-52724523
Very true. While noting to avoid crowds and be smart (safe distance, hand washing, etc.), the NBA player did none of those as you pointed out. Stay vigilant. Just a suggestion to check in on your neighbors especially the elderly. If you are heading to the market, see if they need anything. We are all in this together.
Things just got worse: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/us/coronavirus-physicians-emergency-rooms.html Two emergency medicine doctors, in New Jersey and Washington State, are in critical condition as a result of coronavirus Why you are harming others by not "overreacting"https://t.co/iSDperUx8g pic.twitter.com/sojDM03Oia— Nassim Nicholas Taleb (@nntaleb) March 15, 2020 https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday...e-youre-overreacting-youre-probably-doing-the DR Fauci: 'If it looks like you're overreacting, you're probably doing the right thing'
I read a few comments from an American basketball player who's been in China the last few months. He said life in that country is pretty much back to normal (restaurants and stores open) but that he and I assume lots of others are still getting checked frequently for fever. Not sure how true that is but that's what he claimed. If there were ever a country ill-suited to doing nothing for 2 weeks/2 months, it is ours. The government needs to get its act together on testing, badly: there were said to be 7 hour waits for testing in JFK yesterday for people who had arrived. I was traveling around Asia during the Sars crisis 15/17 years ago: Travelers would have their temperatures checked and that was about it--no fever and you were on your way; very little inconvenience. I want to say that was in the latter stages of that outbreak.I also remember full-body scans but can't recall if that was general security or related to Sars. It also took little time. I have to think we'll see a lots of temperature testing over the next couple of months.
I started this thinking, "well, lets just get through this" for the next few weeks and now I'm really really concerned. Not only for the actual emergency- the numbers coming out of Italy and now Spain are staggering, but for the changes to our society. I'm in an area with 4 counties having seen only 2 cases, but everything is closing, people are freaking out doomsday style, and there are several million people losing their jobs right now in the US, in every county. A friend just told me he had to fire 18 of the 21 folks employed at his business, to save the business. -lower division pro players are getting cut and looking for new careers, some teams may not come back -the NCAA windfall/distribution from TV revenue will reduce budgets across all colleges but especially D1 -smaller colleges will face serious budget problems with refund demands in the short term and then when Fall enrollment shortages start to be realized -summer camps, ID camps, forget it. there will soon be contingency discussions about fall sports -the US is about to double the annual deficit to 'bail out' the economy. what happens when that pretend govt money runs out? or we actually have to pay it back? We may never shake hands again, have many in-person meetings, and use hand sanitizer when we enter every classroom and store. What if we don't have an available vaccine until the Holidays? We could make a very long list of how this will change all of us, whether we experience an infection in our immediate family or not. Crazy times for sure. Hang on.