The California Recall Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by christopher d, Jun 4, 2003.

  1. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    "A bit behind"? That's an understatement. Remember, the national Republican Party platform has changed very little over the past 23 years, and that platform on social issues is diametrically opposed to the views of people like Arnold, Pataki, and Romney (and before them Wilson, Whitman, Kean, and Weld). That's why I said that this movement isn't a "big tent" shift as much as a pragmatic one to just kick out Democrats wherever possible. You may relate more to Arnold than you would Bill Simon, but Simon is a lot more in step with the national leadership than Arnold is.
     
  2. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    Argentina
    I enjoy living in SoCal. And not just because it is a place that has great weather and a place were I can drive to a sunny beach in a half hour, and the very next day go skiing only by driving an hour.

    I enjoy living here because of what SoCal represents. Look, Los Angeles may not be a traditional city with a cosmopolitan downtown, like New York, Paris or Buenos Aires, but as you begin to get to know it you realize that it is a collection of fragments of the whole world. In Los Angeles, you can by driving a bit visit just about any place in the world. Bangkok, Guadalajara, Munich, Jerusalem, Teheran, Saigon, whatever. You can enjoy the best each culture has to offer, because we got cultures from all over the globe in our midst. Myself, I can go to a cafe like in Buenos Aires, discuss Argentine soccer and politics with Argentine people, and eat Argentine food. I can become friends with my neighbor from the midwest, another one from Korea, another one from New York, and yet another one as socal as it gets, from Malibu Beach. I can meet a gorgeous vietnamese woman and learn about her culture, and take her to eat legitimate Ethiopian food. We are a very diverse people and that is our biggest strength, because we are here after the American dream.

    Now why was it that you don't like Southern California?

    PS: Plus, we now have a governor who kicks ass!
     
  3. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
  4. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    True. That is why I could not bring myself to register republican. But sometimes I have to also consider what is the alternative.
     
  5. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    Your words were "The real story is that Reeps successfully manipulated the system to gain power." My response was that if recall is in the system, there's not a hell of a lot that the Democrats could do about it. We're probably a lot closer here than it first seemed.
    Well, yeah.

    The Democratic and Republican leadership are playing different games here. The Democrats want to elect people with views that uphold Democratic (big "D") ideals. The Republicans want to kick the Democrats out of office. The GOP strategy succeeded yesterday and the Democrats' strategy failed. Until the Dems start either playing the GOP's game or invent a better one, they will continue to lose.
     
  6. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    ASF,
    Vote Edwards. From everything you've said, he's your man.
     
  7. Blitzz Boy

    Blitzz Boy Member

    Apr 4, 2002
    The West Side
    You call THAT skiing? Bwah, ha, ha, ha!

    Just wait until we elect Karl Malone governor! He and Ah-nold can have a Cage Match. The winner takes all the Colorado River water.

    I wonder if now with a Republican in office, some of the California Conservative Diaspora to Mayberry & Hooterville; I mean the Intermountain West, will abate? Or maybe Democrats will now start moving out of California & into liberal strongholds like Park City & Boulder?
     
  8. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

    Mar 2, 2000
    New York, NY
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    Is now a bad time to point out that I wouldn't have voted for the recall?

    By the way, how did the porn star do? Which of the less-than-serious candidates did the best? (And don't go for the easy joke and say Arnold.)
     
  9. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    Argentina
    Are you a democrat? It is up to the democrats to nominate him. Then I will consider my options.
     
  10. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    Argentina
    It depends. If you consider Camejo serious, then Huffington. If you consider Huffington serioius then Ueberroth. If you consider Ueberroth serious then Larry Flint. After Flint came Gary Coleman, then some guy whose name is similar to Schwarzenneger (which proves that some democrats tried to vote for Arnold :D) and then our favorite porn star. She got almost 10,000 votes.

    Here are all the results:

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s&u=/electionresults/static
     
  11. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Results in alphabetical and number of votes order. This is with 99.8% of the precincts reporting but probably does not include absentee ballots.

    Here are the top 10:
    Code:
      Arnold Schwarzenegger          Rep   3,694,436   48.5 
      Cruz M. Bustamante             Dem   2,421,319   31.8 
      Tom McClintock                 Rep   1,014,895   13.4 
      Peter Miguel Camejo            Grn     211,595    2.8 
      Arianna Huffington             Ind      42,442    0.6 
      Peter V. Ueberroth             Rep      21,999    0.3 
      Larry Flynt                    Dem      15,350    0.3 
      Gary Coleman                   Ind      12,631    0.2 
      George B. Schwartzman          Ind      10,880    0.2 
      Mary Cook                      Ind      10,017    0.2 
    
    which includes most of the famous names (Mary Cook is the porn actress "Marey Carey"). The theory is that George B Schwartzman got over 10K votes because he was right next to Arnold on the ballots. The ballots were different for each of 80 assembly districts using some randomized alphabet for spelling, but in all cases, Schwartzman is right next to Schwarzenegger.

    Notables not in the top 10:
    Bill Simon 7845
    Leo Gallagher 4844
    Angelyne 2256
    Georgina Russell (georgyforgov.com) 1938
    Bryan Quinn (same name as former Clash coach) 435
    and bringing up the rear, Todd Richard Lewis with 172 votes.
     
  12. Topper

    Topper BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 19, 1999
    SoCal
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    That would put you anywhere from Riverside to Covina....
     
  13. Topper

    Topper BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 19, 1999
    SoCal
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    BTW, Gary Coleman is going to be on Letterman tonight, doing the top 10.

    (According to my lady, who works on the same set where Coleman is filming a bit part.... yup, it's pretty low-budget....)
     
  14. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
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    United States
    The first interview I saw on CNN last night included Ariana Huffington. I was hoping that the first words out of her mouth would be "well, that's it, I'm moving to Oregon."
     
  15. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Anaheim Hills. I drive fast.
     

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