The Bastard's Leaving... Bobby Goldwater that is

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by DissonantNote, Oct 3, 2003.

  1. chayes

    chayes New Member

    Feb 29, 2000
    Raleigh, NC
    DCU is really in a "no-win" situation with the DCSEC.

    DCU doesn't really have any feasible options to play somewhere else that is in the City, holds 20k plus, and is easily (somtimes) accessable by Metro and Interstate.

    DCU is RFK's only tenant, and more or less, the only steady source of revenue for the DCSEC. So, why is it in their interest to build a SSS?
    Then, RFK, their crown jewel, sits empty!

    Point is, its not at all in their interests unless there is a baseball team to fill the stadium for a few years, but then what?
    So DCU has a stadium, the Expos play for 2 years while their stadium is built elsewhere, then what becomes of RFK?

    There is NO compelling interest for DCSEC to build a SSS for DCU until DCU has a viable option elsewhere!
    It doesn't matter who is heading the organization, if my dumb ass can see this, some so-call specialist sure as hell will.

    DCU absolutely MUST start exploring other sites, if nothing else than to force the hand of the DCSEC. Why should they rush forward spending money on building a stadium and leaving RFK empty when DCU has no other options? There isn't!

    God forbid, but it may take DCU pulling a Southlake or a Naperville and playing in a crap stadium to make the DCSEC come to the table.
     
  2. joshdcu

    joshdcu New Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    Washington, DC
    Although DC United has made some noise about looking at other locations and has tallked with others (most notably MD about a PG County site), I'd still like to see DC United follow the Chicago Fire's lead in putting out an RFP to local communities. Maybe then, the DCSEC might come to the table. Maybe not, but at least we'd know.

    Of course, maybe the reason they don't do that is that AEG has other stadium priorities (in NJ and Chicago, and possibly San Jose) ahead of DC United that push DCU's timeline back a bit. United may be getting d**ked around by the DCSEC, but as RFK's primary tenant, their present situation still isn't as bad as what the Metros have at the Meadowlands.

    With all of that said, DC, with its' central location and better transit/highway access, is still the best location for a new SSS. Sadly, the DC government may not agree. I wish the DC government would wake up from their baseball pipe dream (and maybe even give one of those nice sites they've set aside for a baseball stadium to DCU), but I don't know if they ever will.
     
  3. grumpydcu

    grumpydcu Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    MD
    Its great news that the head man is being drop-kicked out the door. Unfortunately, this will have little if any positve effect on the future of a SSS for DCU. I see it as a CYA move by the local politicians brought on by the scandal that was Goldwater.

    We are still faced with the same staff of cronies and incompetents that make up a large part of the DC government. Who ever is brought in will be there only to advance the Mayor's agenda on procuring a MLB team without doing things to turn the public scrutiny once again on the inbred corruption of DC govenment.

    I do not believe that anything will change in the delaying tactics of the DCSEC or whatever agency takes its place. For whatever reason, a SSS is not in their in their best interests and their best interests are all that matter in DC government.

    I can only hope that AEG has finally had enough of this run around and will seriously start talking to the Maryland Stadium Authority. But, I fear that a SSS in DC is low on the AEG priority list and will have to wait until the NJ and Chicago facilities are well under way. The foot-dragging may not all be the fault of DCSEC. I don't believe DCU will have a SSS before 2010 at the earliest.
     
  4. Pennyfan01

    Pennyfan01 New Member

    Jul 24, 2002
    Anne Arundel County
    Forget him and his stadium authority...Here is the bottomline on the quotes from the paper and speculation that others have made here. they will bring in a BASEBALL guy. They want MLB in DC and they are going to fight for it. DC United and company should be speaking with the MARYLAND stadium authority because they will build a soccer sprecific stadium to host DC United and the Freedom (Assuming the league comes back and it should) Maryland is a sports destination, not DC or VA.

    Pro teams in MD -
    Redskins,Ravens,Orioles
    on a lesser note but still pro- Blast, Bayhawks lax
    Baysox,Keys,IronBirds

    Maryland will get a stadium deal done if MLS wants to, and it will be located in the College Park area or close enough that Cirovski's Terps can play there on occasion and maybe even host an NCAA final four or two.
     
  5. Lowecifer

    Lowecifer Member+

    Jan 11, 2000
    Baltimore, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Looking at it from a DCSEC point of view, the best possible scenario for them is this:

    1. MLB agrees to move some lame-o team to the District for the 2006 baseball season.

    2. RFK is demolished and a new state-of-the art, baseball stadium is built on the site over a 24-30 month construction schedule.

    RFK is the perfect location for all the reasons we know. On a more lofty plane, the site of RFK is the terminus of the East/West axis of Washington's urban diagram. It would make sense to continue this strong relationship with the Capitol Dome, Washington Monument, and Lincoln Memorial.

    ... where does that leave DC United?

    Well, hopefully, AEG could begin building a SSS somewhere on the grounds at around the same time, and would have it completed in time for the end of the 2004 season. In the meantime, DC United would have to pull a Naperville.

    Of course, nothing ever goes to plan...

    The bottom line is that AuH20 was no good for the DCSEC, and had to go. We will have to wait and see what the future brings.
     
  6. chayes

    chayes New Member

    Feb 29, 2000
    Raleigh, NC
    Is the current Stadium/Armory/Old Hospital site even being considered for building a new stadium? I thought all the plans pointed elsewhere (Navy Yard, NY Ave or NoVa)

    I don't think the DCSEC were ever under the intention of demolishing RFK and building a new stadium in its ruins.
    Their "best case" scenario is to house a baseball team in RFK for a few years while a new stadium, under DCSEC control, is built elsewhere in the district.
    Even then, they will need a tenant at RFK after that, and the only tenant available is DCU. Them losing the 2012 Olympic bid puts even more pressure on keeping DCU as their source of revenue.
     
  7. Lowecifer

    Lowecifer Member+

    Jan 11, 2000
    Baltimore, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    According to this Washington Post special section, RFK was one of the final sites under consideration for the construction of a new baseball stadium.

    [​IMG]

    I had thought that it would entail the demolition of RFK, but I guess not. The above plan is really horrible and totally screws up the site. Now, a SSS would be much smaller and easier to work into the overall site design.
     
  8. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    To anyone who could possibly be worried about losing Bobby Goldwater (that should be noone):

    Tests conducted yesterday by the D.C. Department of Consumer and Regulatory Affairs showed that the roar generated by high-powered cars racing around the track on the grounds of Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium measured 100.4 to 105 decibels in the adjacent neighborhood, far exceeding the 60-decibel limit permitted in residential areas.


    Among the bills......was $26,845 to house Goldwater at a downtown apartment building for seven months after he moved to Washington and $2,500 for him to rent cars in the District.....the commission in late 2000 put $10,199 toward a restaurant reception for a District boxer who had won an Olympic bronze medal....out-of-town trips included stadium management seminars in Tucson, Lake Buena Vista, Fla., and Oahu, Hawaii; Grand Prix races in Michigan and California....the commission bought four Washington Wizards 20-game ticket packages at a cost of $6,160.....the commission paid $2,630 for Williams and his wife, Diane, to fly roundtrip in first class to Major League Baseball's All-Star Game in Atlanta...Goldwater became the highest paid employee in the D.C. government when he was hired at an annual salary of $275,000...The commission paid one of Washington's top law firms, Covington & Burling, more than half a million dollars in legal fees since 2001....the commission's cash reserves have shrunk from about $18 million in late 2000 to $3.4 million at the end of last year. It posted operating deficits totaling $5.3 million in fiscal 2001 and 2002 and is facing another deficit this fiscal year...Goldwater said there have not been any financial abuses under his stewardship.....Asked why he chose to stay in an 11th-floor apartment at the Lansburgh on Eighth Street NW, where the rent was $3,835 a month, he said someone had recommended the building. As for the cars he rented, Goldwater said there were times when he needed a vehicle to transport passengers because his two-seat pickup truck did not have enough room
     
  9. chayes

    chayes New Member

    Feb 29, 2000
    Raleigh, NC
    BudWiser,

    I could give two shits about him fleecing the DC taxpayers or violating noise ordinances.

    All I care about is having someone at the DCSEC who will build a SSS.

    That is the only issue for me (and probably many others).

    The rest is irrelevant.
     
  10. Red&Black

    Red&Black Member+

    Aug 30, 2001
    Lot 8
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Burkina Faso
    i am not voting for Revelation for the stadium czar frankly because i like the guy. i wouldn't wish on anyone the bad luck to get involved with the DC government particularly something under the watchful eye of that sharpie harold brazil.

    instead there is a guy out there with the perfect credentials. of course i mean Cheatin Bob Bradley. a scumbag cheating bastard like cheatin bob is perfect for the job--particularly as it would seem that screwing DCU has been a big part of the job.

    so sorry, Rev you are just too stand up for the job. it has to go to cheatin bob...
     
  11. Sanguine

    Sanguine Member

    Jul 4, 2003
    Reston, VA
    I actually like that site for the baseball stadium - plus it leaves room for a soccer stadium where RFK is now. I think the preferred site for baseball is the Newy York Ave site just north of the Capitol, but the RFK site is cheaper and more likely.
     
  12. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
    Fornax Cluster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably not. They'll just move one of the crooks over from the Teacher's Union to run things.

    I mean, come on....this is DC we're talking about.
     
  13. CHICO13

    CHICO13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2001
    SECTION 135
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Has anyone told the guys at The Palm about Bobby G's leaving? Those dudes are going to be seriously bummed.
     
  14. DCAustinite

    DCAustinite New Member

    Jan 14, 2003
    NE DC in my heart -
    Club:
    DC United
    ummm....

    Uhhh- I'm sorry, what? I was too busy looking at your avatar.
     
  15. Red&Black

    Red&Black Member+

    Aug 30, 2001
    Lot 8
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Burkina Faso
    i frankly could care less whether or not the new stadium person is pro-SSS. i imagine aeg will build a stadium somewhere in the area whether or not that is in dc.

    i think what the highest priority of the new E.D. ought to be the service of the existing clients and the maximization of these public structures. i would hope that new E.D. would insist upon ugrades to the public areas, food service, etc. at RFK. i would hope they would seek to re-invest in their current relationship with united and its fans and nuture and improve that until if and when we get a SSS.

    i would hope they would address the financial problems facing the agency and seek to increase revenue by improving service and product. and helps it customers--i.e. its prime tennant, reach their business goals.anything but that focus would suck as far as i am concerned.

    ps--if you are from Rutgers, please ignore the word "sucks". ;)
     
  16. seahawkdad

    seahawkdad Spoon!!!

    Jun 2, 2000
    Lincoln, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We owe Goldwater our thanks...

    According to the article in the Washington Times, we owe Goldwater a big thank you:

    "He also is credited for keeping soccer team D.C. United, RFK Stadium's primary tenant, from moving to Maryland or Virginia."

    There you have it. If it hadn't been for Goldwater we'd be playing at one of those numerous soccer stadiums that dot those two states.

    Bet he had to struggle to pull that one off.
     
  17. Red&Black

    Red&Black Member+

    Aug 30, 2001
    Lot 8
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Burkina Faso
    Re: We owe Goldwater our thanks...

    :)
     
  18. Mountainia

    Mountainia Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    Section 207, Row 7
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree. It doesn't surprise me that DC doesn't do simple not-too-expensive things like pave the entrance to the parking lot and things like that. Doesn't cost much, but like I said, it doesn't surprise me because there's no money in it.

    However, they are foolish not to improve those services that could result in direct income to them. They've learned that they can charge whatever they want for food and drink, but they don't seem to know that if the food and drinks were any good, they could sell a lot more of them.

    My wife likes the pretzels, but they are never warm. So she gets one, then never gets another until next season. Then she thinks "maybe they've fixed the problem," buys one, and then that's it for that season. I gave up on sodas because they can never mix them right. If I were selling $4 drinks, I'd make sure they were right. Heck, I'd put an umbrella in each one. I've had stale hot dog buns and cold hot dogs. Not any more. Now I make an effort to eat and drink beforehand, so that my spending on concessions this year has fallen off by over 50%.

    From DC's perspective, this is just loss of revenue if a sizable portion of fans are acting like myself. I don't like paying 400% more for food and drinks, but I'll be damned if I'll pay that much for bad food and drinks.
     
  19. dcajedi

    dcajedi Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Philadelphia
  20. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you, Andy Mead.

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  21. Lanky134

    Lanky134 New Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    134, 3, 6
    Thank K. She's the one who spotted him and pointed out to Andy who he was.
     

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