The Arsenal v. Abu Dhabi Citeh, Wednesday 15 February 2023, 1930 GMT

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  1. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just saw Mikel's tunnel interview. He looked pissed off. He said "we had them" and "we gave them goals". But then he ended with "we matched their level" and "I have more belief in my players now".
     
  2. footykid

    footykid Member+

    Jan 10, 2005
    Mississauga, Ont
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Nah mate, Ligue 1 is a farmers league. Eddie has much stronger back to goal play and is just physically much further along. The team was clearly mentally not at it this game, and everyone except maybe Saliba showed that with their play.
     
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  3. Rewinder

    Rewinder Member+

    Jun 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Eddie is a championship level striker. He is not fast enough to beat defenders, or strong enough to overpower them, or lethal enough to make his chances count. He could play in the premier league back in 1997 when everyone played 4-4-2 and his striker partner could server up a chance on a platter for him every other game, but in the modern premier league he is not good enough.
     
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  4. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you were expecting our 2nd half to be as good as our first half, you were always going to be disappointed. There's a ton of games to play. It's far from over. In the first 19 games we proved we have a good system, so I think player fitness and form are likely gonna determine our outcome. And how Mikel manages the squad, which includes... rotation and rests. I hope he's thinking quite a bit about that.
     
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  5. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very quick turnaround until our next game, Sat 12:30 UK time, only 2.5 days away.

    So someone new needs to get in the mood to start the next thread. Maybe someone who's never done it before? That'd be a nice change!
     
  6. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    It’s not coincidence that the second half is when Haaland shifted to his side.
     
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  7. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    If we want a league title, we need Jesus back and we need someone better than Eddie. I like him but he is supposed to be a 'poacher' striker and his misses tonight were criminal. Bad miss from 6y and then doesn't cross to Martinelli and all in the first 20mins or so.

    We are horrendously out of form atm and if we continue like this we aren't finishing top 2.
     
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  8. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    I believe Balogun offers something that Arsenal don’t really have, he will run in behind on a quick counter. Eddie will make darting runs into the box, but he’s not running past anyone in the open field. For that reason alone Balogun deserves a look in the preseason.
     
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  9. ArsenalJake

    ArsenalJake Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do you like about being an Arsenal supporter?
     
  10. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York

    Fun fact: Former Ligue 1 players replicate their production at the highest percentage of any incoming players to the EPL
     
  11. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    They are a thin squad and the 2nd half they were tired. Top 4 is a must
     
  12. Shen-O

    Shen-O Member+

    United States
    Jul 26, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that we always lose

    damn this one hurt today, especially that Eddie free header in first half at 0-0
     
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  13. ArsenalJake

    ArsenalJake Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I actually celebrated this, it was such a bang bang cross, and I am pretty much blind, so I was certain no one could ********that up o_O
     
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  14. Silva 5

    Silva 5 Member+

    Mar 10, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who said anything about like?
     
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  15. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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  16. Deep Wilcox

    Deep Wilcox BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 5, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So after a few hours to think about it:
    Ramsdale is all you can ask for. The back line is about as solid as 4 young players can be. MO in the midfield with Xhaka and somebody else (hopefully Partey) is good, and Saka is top notch. Martinelli can make good things happen, but Eddie is not going to be the CF for the EPL champions. He is fine, brings some good qualities; but do you want him or Haaland? Or a few others. Eddie needs to be coming off the bench. With Jesus injured; here we are.

    How do we score goals? If it isn't a Saka pk (how ironic is that, given the WC) where are goals coming from? I think this is an issue. And I feel like our outside backs attack better than they defend. That puts a lot of pressure on Saliba, Gabriel and Ramsdale. It feels kind of "jail breaky" when the other teams attack.

    But this team is so young, and pure finishers are so rare, I am not massively dissapointed; just pulled back to earth. They were flying! Now we find out what the Gunners are made of. We need to go back to grinding out results.
     
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  17. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Eddie just ain't the answer. Depth, yes, but honestly we are now seeing Arteta ball needs a striker who can get involved with build up. As its been said, its no coincidence that since the Jesus injury Xhaka and Martinellis form has dropped significantly.

    We have the spine of a great team building but we really do lack one good winger, one good striker and another mid.
     
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  18. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The answer last season was set pieces and Smith Rowe. ESR scored well above his xG clip, and his movement created a ton of havoc for opposing defenses, much like Jesus's does. Without that chaotic spark, the rest of the attack sort of withers and dies.
     
  19. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Last season isn't a great example considering how poor Laca and Auba were. Next season we need to replace Eddie with another striker who fits the Jesus mold. Mobile, can be involved in the buildup, has pace.
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I think the game illustrated how the run in might play out

    Arsenal more than good enough to go toe to toe with City, and too good for most EPL sides. But a bit of lack of quality at 9, and don't have that big game experience City have.

    City are not the machine they have been, but have also optimised to win games like this - i.e. late stage champs league when everything is on the line.

    Them not being 90 point good opens a door and I guess we have to hope they get distracted in Europe.
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    The focus on Championship Eddie is valid, but also Arsenal didn't create much xG in this game.

    We really needed to hold at 1:1
     
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  22. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was the one that broke me (ie, made me yell at the TV). There were at least two other instances when he killed an attack by hitting too heavy of a pass.

    I'm so hesitant to start bashing Xhaka because for the most part he's been really good this season---certainly exceeded my expectations as to what he could do in that 8 role. But the absence of Jesus has really amplified Xhaka's ceiling in that role. He's just not getting the same kind of time, space, angles as he was when Jesus was playing, and on his own he's just not able to create much in those tight spaces.

    My primary rant though: FFS, we need to move on from Partey. People often make the Diaby comparison but in a way it's worse. Yeah, Diaby was injured far more severely and far more often, but he had never really attained star status anyway, so we'd only see glimpses here and there of what he possibly could have become. But Partey---we know how freaking good he is and how well he has us play. So when he's out the absence is glaring. Jorginho was fine yesterday, better than Elneny or Lokonga, but he's still not Partey. We're in a bit of a Catch-22 right now (yeah, the reference is intentional) in that we can't go all in on removing him as such a potential point of failure because, despite yesterday, we are still close to a title and any chance of that is going to depend on him when he's available. But this summer, via personnel and system, we need to make him less valuable.

    Again, I know Partey's absence wasn't the reason we lost yesterday. Obviously, we dominated statistics and the entire first half without him. Nevertheless...

    Other thoughts, yeah, we're seeing Eddie hitting a bit of a wall. Is it really a ceiling or is he trying to cope with playing every single week or more---something he's never had to do before---and is just finding it hard at the moment. Regardless, I'd be open to seeing some changes up top this Saturday, if for no other reason than to give him a bit of a break.
     
  23. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    The plan was never for Nketiah to be the starting striker on a PL title winning club. The plan was for him to be the clear #2 on a club that competes for top 4, which despite the Jesus injury, has been very successful so far.

    Jesus never would have signed with Arsenal if they brought in another high level striker in the same window, he wanted to be the clear #1. Nketiah never would have resigned - with no transfer fee required - if he was stuck at #3.

    The moves made sense at the time, the question now is whether Arteta/Edu will be ruthless in improving the team going forward.
     
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  24. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1.6 vs. 2.6 according to Scott Willis's stats. I forget how much a penalty adds. I know it's not 1, but obviously, it's high.
     
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  25. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sooo... I was curious about some of the GJ vs Eddie comparison. Went and pulled some by game numbers for EPL comps only...

    Individually
    Jesus
    - 14 starts, 5g, 5a
    Eddie - 8 starts, 4g, 0a

    Team performance
    Jesus
    - 2.04 avg xG, 2.36 avg G, 2.00 avg G by non-ST
    Eddie - 1.94 avg xG, 1.75 avg G, 1.25 avg G by non-ST

    It would take a much deeper dive to get a true feel for what was happening in each of those comps but in general, while Eddie has better G/start numbers, the lack of assists and overall drop in team performance shows just how much Jesus meant to the team as a whole.
     
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