The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It looks like Everton offer fans the chance to resell their tickets if they don't want to go.

    It looks like a couple of hundred or so, just singles and the odd double sprinkled about.

    That's promising, as I fancy going up to a game there before they move out.
     
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  3. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    But the FACT is there are not! Everton sell out EVERY home game and they have done now for a number of years! And as you can see from my links (which Im guessing you didnt look at) they are continuing to sell out EVERY home league game!
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But it's Monday and there's no match. Why would anyone be there?
     
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  5. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    It's good to see you've recovered from the three comical goals your lot conceded in their cup game... I mean, wtf?
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Singapore betting syndicate.

    It's my only explanation.
     
  7. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Was there a memorable game when they clinched promotion, or was it a board meeting?
     
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  8. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was announced a couple days after they celebrated winning their thrilling comeback win in their 1st round FCS playoff game.

    Oddly enough, they were INVITED to join a D1 conference due to their history of being a top 1-AA program both in terms of winning and support.
     
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  9. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    They also won at least one title at the lower level. I attended their semifinal win over Wofford (SC) in 2003. They won their national title in Chattanooga in what was then Division I-AA.
     
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  10. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup, went to 2 other title games at 1-AA level

    Also have a D2 title as well (3 total app)
     
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  11. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Amateur sport? Lol.

    "The move will also be more costly after the NCAA Division I Council voted in October to increase the FBS membership cost from $5,000 to $5 million, along with stricter scholarship requirements, as a way to deter FCS teams that aren’t as invested from making the move."

    https://theathletic.com/5096623/2023/11/28/delaware-fbs-conference-usa-realignment/

    So the bigger question is did they have a cartel membership fee acceptance party?
     
  12. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The NCAA is one of the worst things about this country.
     
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  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sporting wise I hope you mean.
     
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  14. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Like I said Everton sell out EVERY home league game and as you can see from my link they are continuing to do so. I'm not sure why you mentioned it being a Monday? I don't think I mentioned the days of the week???
     
  15. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't give two shits about English soccer.
     
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  16. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How DARE you say that in the <checks notes> All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA thread?
     
  17. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We do because that's all we have. Still doesn't mean it's the same or just as good.

    Why? USL and MLS play at the same time of the year and both play a national schedule asking clubs to fly cross country. USL-1 also requires cross country travel.

    And I am sure Delaware Stadium was full to the rafters with fans witnessing an incredible emotional moment with Rich Gannon on the sidelines in tears.

    Oh right it was a bunch of guys looking at spreadsheets realizing that they can make more money for the University by moving up.

    There are times that it's better for an organization to make these decisions based on spreadsheets and money. And that should be the focus of the debate around MLS. But deciding it in offices vs on the field isn't the same thing. Pro/rel does bring value and makes it more interesting. Is that worth the insecurity? Welp that's the debate, but let's not pretend they are in some way comparable.
     
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  18. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It was pretty full when I was there in 2003.
     
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  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And that's exactly what owners are doing in Nottingham and Sheffield and Barnsley and Fleetwood are doing. They're looking at spreadsheets and thinking if I invest this I can do this and make a ton of money. Unless they're the type of owner that has $millions to throw away.

    The difference is that there are no guarantees in a pro-rel system.

    The EFL is tech stocks, MLS is government bonds.
     
  20. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    What?
     
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  21. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I would have thought a more fundamental difference is that with pro/rel, the bottom line something has to be achieved (or not) on the field of play. With closed leagues, that's almost wholly not the case.
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can tell you at the moment that being a Forest fan (which I'm not) is not exciting, it's not nail biting, it's just depressing. They've got 5 more months of this to come.

    Last couple of games of the season may bring about a huge sign of relief but until then there's nothing worse than supporting a team that's being dragged into a relegation battle.

    Sheffield United fans didn't expect much. They'll be happy with a couple of hundred £million to pay off their huge debts. Every Luton point is a bonus. Burnley fans must be disappointed that their new owners didn't invest more. But Forest are in the absolute worst position going into the holiday season.
     
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  23. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    There's a LOT worse - like supporting a team destined to play lower league football for eternity!!
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree.
     
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  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Santos fans are taking relegation well.
    Screenshot_20231207_090551_Chrome.jpg
     
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