The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

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  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the majority of fans whose favorite players aren't involved prefer it.

    German TV audiences were around 8 million for the NL and 5.5 million for their friendlies against the Czech Republic and Turkey.
     
  2. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    When it was first announced I thought it was a generally terrible idea. I've since changed my mind because of its ability to give middling to lower-middle teams the opportunity to play competitive games against teams of higher quality than they typically could play friendlies against. I can see why fans of the "Superleague" clubs generally don't like it though.
     
  3. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The one thing I dislike about Nations League competitions (both UEFA and CONCACAF) is that it greatly reduces opportunities for intercontinental friendlies. Then again, that's mostly relevant to the upper-tier national teams, because they're the ones playing most of the games against opponents from other continents.
     
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  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We talked about the French financial crisis but there's a reason that there may be some shocks in La Liga this season.

    La Liga payrolls 2021/22

    Real Madrid: €739 million (+€270 million)
    Sevilla: €200 million (+€14 million)
    Atletico Madrid: €171 million (-€81 million)
    Villarreal: €159 million (+€14 million)
    Real Sociedad: €127 million (+€26 million)
    Athletic Bilbao: €111 million (-€8 million)
    Barcelona: €97 million (-€284 million)
    Espanyol: €77 million (+€32 million)
    Real Betis €70 million (-€1 million)
    Celta Vigo: €65 million (+€3 million)
    Getafe: €64 million (+€11 million)
    Osasuna: €56 million (+€9 million)
    Granada: €53 million (-€3 million)
    Mallorca: €46 million (+€27 million)
    Cadiz: €45 million (+€4 million)
    Alaves: €43 million (+€1 million)
    Rayo Vallecano: €41 million (+€25 million)
    Elche: €41 million (+€6 million)
    Levante: €32 million (-€5 million)
    Valencia: €31 million (-€72 million)
     
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  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well for instance, Barcelona have moved from the second highest payroll to the seventh and now sit in seventh place.
     
  6. :cautious:
    You're suggesting a statistical relation?
     
  7. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My "European" friends tend to come from the Balkans and/or smaller countries, so take that how you will.
     
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  8. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    So after conceding 54 points to a team that had lost every home game before today, it seems that the NY Jets are again "playing for better draft choices". Of course, they'll have tough competition from "normal culprits" Detroit in that regard.
     
  9. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I may have misread the original post I was talking about not knowing anyone who favors a two year world cup cycle. With the same caveats about my own biases.
     
  10. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the same teams are finishing at the bottom of the standings every year, then maybe better draft choices aren't all they're cracked up to be.
     
  11. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    #32563 M, Oct 25, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2021
    So why have a draft order based on failure?

    Of course, there's another solution to the same teams finishing bottom every year...
     
  12. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Norwich has scored 2 goals in 1/4 of the season, haven't won a match, have a GD more than double worse the closest to them, and are already playing for nothing other than the millions for Prem Failure
     
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  13. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As an attempt to create parity, but apparently that isn't enough. Other factors play into it as well.
     
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  14. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    #32566 M, Oct 25, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2021
    In the last five seasons, they haven't had a winning record. This in a league that rigs for parity. Their only "success" being that their franchise value is now over $4bn, an increase of 50% during that period of abject failure. So much for the argument we hear on here that there is a price of failure for failing closed league teams.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/194490/franchise-value-of-the-new-york-jets-since-2006/
     
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  15. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Both Detroit and the Jets have been in the playoffs in the last 5 full seasons (this season excluded)
    Jacksonville was in the AFC title game in '17
    The Texans were in the playoffs in '18 and '19
    Dolphins have been in the playoffs once and won 10 games twice in the last 5yrs

    Those are the current worst teams in the NFL

    Seems like the system is doing what it is designed to do .... WEIRD

    There are prices paid, just not the one you want

    And let's not pretend club values aren't inflated simply by being in a top tier ..
     
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  16. Parity is another word for mediocrity and ultimately leads to mediocracy.

    If in Europe that would exist, top quality football would be non-existent and the world wouldnot be bothered to watch European football.
     
  17. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weird, we still get dominate and powerful teams ... and p/r leagues have mediocre teams

    Parity =\= mediocrity
     
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  18. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    The Jets haven’t been in the playoffs since 2010.
    But making the playoffs isn’t exactly some monumental feat: 37% of the league qualifies. The fact that it’s so exceptional that either of these makes it is testimony to how awful they are. The Lions’ last playoff appearance was the last Wild Card seed in which they were blown away by Seattle. They were outscored in the regular season and lost to every team that finished higher than them in the NFC.

    These bad teams are just bad. Some years they can take advantage of a forgiving schedule and other teams being worse.
     
  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In the last 5 and a bit seasons the Jets have won 24 and lost 72 for a .250 overall record.

    What is the benefit of 'tanking' exactly?
     
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  20. Well, that's because of the artificial kept low number of clubs.

    Yes, but the total number of top quality clubs Europe wide is higher than the total number of clubs in mls, being America wide.
     
  21. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Your franchise value goes up despite making little effort year after year to have a competent club. So you can go through the motions and hope the draft will throw you a bone or two to cover some of the cracks. Rinse and repeat. At least in pro/rel leagues incompetence gets its comeuppance. Think about the differing trajectories of Sunderland and Brentford, for example.
     
  22. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I don't necessarily think they're tanking. I just think they suck and are owned and managed by nincompoops.
     
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  23. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The Tampa Bay Buccaneers were the dregs of the NFL when I was in school, mainly because then-owner Hugh Culverhouse prioritized making money over building a winning team. Now, they're the defending NFL Champions! Success is cyclical.
     
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