Fifteen Years ago, Bolton Wanderers were playing in the Premier League and Salford City in the North West Counties League at the ninth level of the pyramid. Today they played each other in League Two. Amazing what performance on the field of play (or lack thereof) can do in pro/rel leagues.
fifteen years ago, the seattle sounders were playing in the a-league and lafc didn't exist. on november 24, they are going to play in the mls cup playoffs. amazing what can happen when countries have a system that works for them and if it honks off euros, all the better. point being: who gives a f*** about your example?
The thing is people keep buying broken football clubs, so they very rarely disappear. It also happened to Crystal Palace, Portsmouth, Bradford City, Derby County, Ipswich Town, Wimbledon, Leeds United, Coventry and Wigan. Wigan found a dodgy white knight and it very quickly went pear shaped. The same thing that happened at Notts County in 2009 except it took 4 months to find out they weren't paying the bills. Wolves, Burnley, Sheffield United and Portsmouth all fell from the top-flight to the fourth level before climbing all the way back (Portsmouth are in progress). In any other business those names would have disappeared but not soccer, not English soccer anyway. But nostalgia is a funny old thing. San Jose, Vancouver, Portland and Seattle all claim to be 46 years old, even though they have nothing to do with the original NASL clubs, except for Portland's stadium, Seattle's coach, and one former San Jose Clash director. Oh and this.
It’s not all butterflies and rainbows. Pro/rel more often then not causes clubs to go into financial ruin. That’s why its not going to fix American soccer like they think it will.
They won’t disappear in England, but if that happened here they would have folded. Even in an open system.
Mmmm, you obviously have no clue what Pro/Rel is, otherwise you wouldnot make this assumption. Financially stupid behaviour has nothing to do with the concept, as P/R exist longer than the last two decades of exhuberant spending behaviour since epl started.
I think if the Timbers and/or Sounders failed someone would buy the rights to the name and relaunch them. They've become iconic. If the Whitecaps failed and a Vancouver team entered CPL someone would probably want to call them the Whitecaps.
I’m well aware how it works. The financial aspect is a problem with an open system. Especially an open system with no cap.
Before the Premier League most English clubs operated at a small loss. Manchester United and Liverpool were always touted as exceptions. They regularly made a profit. Examples of clubs that struggled after over-spending in the 1970s include Wolves, Sheffield United and Chelsea, though in each of those cases it was overspending on stadium improvements as much much as anything. Burnley's slide began with the abolition of the maximum wage. Before that their chairman, Bob Lord had boasted that they could have been bigger than Manchester United, a strange claim for a club geographically isolated in the Pennine hills.
They'd have to pay MLS a hefty price for the rights to the name and image though......the league owns the trademarks and image rights.
It's odd because when I've pointed out on this thread the failure rate of MLS teams, I've been told Chivas didn't fail but are now LAFC. So based on that, LAFC did exist and Seatlle was playing in the second division. So what's your point? Oh, so that your "point". But certainly agree that people with closed minds don't "give a f***" about this.
Here's someone who should know shamateurism if he sees it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/opinion/sunday/ncaa-sports-paying-college-players.html
Jesus. Dude, even if the NFL had promotion and relegation, someone would still get relegated. No matter how much more motivation you have, no matter how much of an effort you put into winning, someone will still get relegated. Then what? Say the Jets get relegated. This isn't a small European nation. This is a nation where Louisiana covers more area than England. The team that replaces the Jets isn't going to be some small-market darling; it's going to be a third NY franchise, or another California franchise, or a Texas franchise, or some other big city. They're not going to get a team from an 11,000 seat stadium in Frog Balls, Arkansas. Who will get slapped around for a year and go back down. Meanwhile, the Jets will be back in the bigs in two years maximum. You're never going to get a Cinderella story where a small-town team wins the Super Bowl.
(Football is a terrible example, though: the talent pool is limited to USA and Canada, the roster sizes are enormous and there is an enormous and wildly popular amateur system beneath the NFL which would make the economics of lower league football completely impossible)