The 3rd place Curse will it happend to TURKEY??

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by toot86, Jul 24, 2002.

  1. toot86

    toot86 New Member

    Apr 29, 2001
    Long John Silver's
    All through the years the World Cup has had 3rd place winners that never come back..

    Spain 82 - Poland

    US 94 - Sweden

    France 98 - Croatia

    Korea/Japan 2002 - Turkey


    Will this 3rd place curse affect Turkey from going to the next round in the next World cup 2006??
     
  2. usain2010

    usain2010 New Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    No. My reasoning is that Turkey could be an up and coming football power, and is a large enough country to find a mass pool of players and develop them. Another reason is that their domestic league is very competitive. Therefore, if enough talent is found year in and year out, this curse will not affect Turkey. However the most important thing to mention are the Turks mentallity. They are very strong minded and have a lot of heart. I think Turkey could be right in there in 2006 and thereafter.
     
  3. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    That's no really a curse. You basically name a bunch of outsiders who happened to make it so far in a given World Cup. It's not liked they disappeared from the world scene after WC. Only Sweden failed to qualify for the next WC Finals after finishing 3rd. Italy and France were third place finishers a few times althrough France did not play in a WC Finals until 1998 after finsihing 3rd in 1986.
     
  4. olafgb

    olafgb New Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    Germany
    I see it similar to Excape Goat. It also depends on what you're understanding as success - reaching the same place again, surviving the group stage or qualifying. The latter two can be reached by Turkey, repeating the success will be difficult.
     
  5. k11el

    k11el New Member

    May 2, 2000
    Forget about the World Cup. Turkey is a cinch to miss qualifying for the next European Championship.

    When was the last time a European team that finish 3rd in the World Cup qualified for the next European Championship?

    1970 West Germany

    Look at this list:

    1966 Portugal, 1974 Poland, 1982 Poland, 1986 France, 1990 Italy, 1994 Sweden, 1998 Croatia

    all failed to come out of the group stage in the next Euro. What does it mean?

    1) the World Cup 3rd place is a fluke, teams just get hot at the right time in a short tournament.

    2) UEFA has lots of depth that a 3rd place finish in the World Cup scares nobody

    Look for England to emerge from the group stage of the upcoming EC. Look for Turkey to finish 2nd in the group and get eliminated in the playoffs. That's the curse of finishing #3 in the World Cup.
     
  6. puma182

    puma182 New Member

    May 8, 2002
    Curse of the Bambino ...

    At the risk of sounding like a Boston Red Sox fan I will claim that Turkey will "Reverse the Curse!"

    Turkey has a whole generation of players who are emerging from the woodwork that will soon start outclassing the older players in the WC02 squad to retirement.

    The world commentators all fell in love with Ilhan Mansiz (super sub who toppled Senegal and Korea) as the future of Turkish football. Yet he is only the elder sibling of a whole new emerging generation of players like Ahmet Dursun, Umit Karan, Serhat, Berkant Goktan etc that were too junior to get their places in the WC02 squad. But they will surely start making their names heard by Euro04 and be peaking by WC06.

    These players are all quitely getting their schooling playing for the likes of Galatsaray, Besiktas, Fenerbahce in UEFA club developing their skills against the best clubs in the world.

    For the first time in it's history Turkey is sending 6 teams into UEFA club competitions this year. (2 to CL, 4 to UEFA-Cup). Most will probably walk away with a bloody nose, but they will keep coming back in the years ahead competing better and smarter just like Galatasary progressed over the years.

    Sure enough the group race for #1 between the English and the Turks will not be a pretty affair over the next 2 years. The key will be consistency rather than brilliance (allthough both teams will need that flash while visiting the boiling cauldrons of Highbury and Ali Sami Yen respectively).

    In any event I am sure that both teams will eventually qualify to play in Portugal 2004. That is ofcourse unless the #2 runner-up ends up in a play off against a superpower like Italy or Holland, then things will get really complicated.
     
  7. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    We have a saying "de bal is rond" ... literally this means the ball is round and it comes down to never knowing what will happen.

    3rd place in a world cup can indeed be just luck combined with a good form for a relative short time. Anyway, your world cup performance doesn't mean anything for the future. The topteams of 2002 can be crap in 2004 and vice versa.
     
  8. kanasai100

    kanasai100 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Nowhere
    3rd place in a world cup can indeed be just luck combined with a good form for a relative short time. Anyway, your world cup performance doesn't mean anything for the future. The topteams of 2002 can be crap in 2004 and vice versa. [/B][/QUOTE]

    Emm... Just like the French team in 2002. Brazil and Germany are the two teams that seem to stand against time sines the 1950 and should continue to do so. But, sometimes flaws do happen in their teams, there is no gaurantee
     
  9. silahsiz kuvvet

    silahsiz kuvvet New Member

    Sep 12, 2002
    istanbul
    Dont worry about Turkey. We have the sufficient potential to be the one of the best in soccer forever.

    Everywhere we play in world we have a huge support especially in Europe. Each game is a home game for us. We surely have a threatening supporter potential in Germany 2006.
     
  10. Scoey

    Scoey Member

    Oct 1, 1999
    Portland
    Hmmm...Euro 2004 Qualifying, anyone?
     
  11. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Wow!

    This guy was absolutely right. Must go down as one of the best predictive posts I've seen in a while.
     
  12. yellowbismark

    yellowbismark Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah, that was pretty spot on post (made almost a year and a half ago too!), and who would've guessed Latvia of all countries would be the one to knock them out
     
  13. rivers

    rivers New Member

    Jul 11, 2003
    Canada
    -

    Netherlands came fourth in World Cup 98, and then failed to make 2002.

    Bulgaria came fourth in World Cup 94, and then failed to make 1998.

    So maybe a 4th place trend is starting also.
     
  14. Crowdie

    Crowdie New Member

    Jan 23, 2003
    Auckland, New Zealand
    The big issue is not the Turkish team but the crowd violence that happens wherever their supporters go. Why is it that they just can't go and enjoy the football?

    Crowdie
     
  15. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: -

    Actually, Bulgaria made it to 1998, but had such a bad performance (remember the Spain 6 Bulgaria 1) they probably wish they hadn't gone. The highlight was holding Paraguay to a 0-0 draw. They had a worse record than Saudi Arabia (1 pt, -6 GD, the worst GD in the tournament, tied with Jamaica).

    G.
     
  16. rivers

    rivers New Member

    Jul 11, 2003
    Canada
    right, my mistake, well, it's a 1 time trend right now, and counting :)
     
  17. PaulGascoigne

    PaulGascoigne Member

    Feb 5, 2001
    Aotearoa/NZ
    I think the truth is, unless you are Brazil, Argentina, Germany, or Italy, you are not guaranteed of being good all the time. Countries rise and fall, and there are cycles. Ex: Portugal was really good, but even if they had made it farther than they did in this world cup as expected, they would likely face a decline in the next few years. Essentially, Sweden '94, Croatia '98, Turkey '02 were examples of teams that developed a really good core of players who peaked about that time. Eventually, those players get older and retire, and a new cohesive core has to build up, which is difficult. Ask Romania today if this is a problem, or Bulgaria.

    Turkey may have enough talent and savvy at the game now that they can reload, a la Italy--when their current players get old, new people just step in. But to be a Nebraska every year is hard. Even Nebraska can't do it right now. :D
     

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