The 2021 U-20 Qualifying Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Peretz48, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. Eldinter

    Eldinter Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the basis of these results and play, he shouldn't be moved to U20s.
     
  2. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Easy for me to say, but an ambitious academy setup in Houston with a good staff should have a chance to attract players from up and down the Gulf, though of course Dallas is formidable competition and there is a lot of other action in the region, from Monterrey all the way over to Miami. New Orleans doesn't have a DA club...
     
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  3. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  4. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paunovic is now available. Who knows what he wants to do, but if I am U.S. Soccer, I'd reach out for an interview for the U-20 gig.

    1) Coached American players
    2) Won the U-20 WC

    He wasn't great for Chicago, but I am not necessarily convinced it was his fault. There was a lot of things wrong with Chicago
     
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  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    3) He doesn't have to relocate to living in Chicago and soccer house. He's already there.

    Brian, this makes too much sense to actually happen.
     
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  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    By the way, the schedule for the CONCACAF U20 Championships was just released. This tournament is going to be upon us before we know it.

    An official draw to sort the participating teams into the qualifying and group stage groups, as well as the parings for the round of 16, will take place on Wednesday, November 20, 2019.
     
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  7. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    That might partially explain why the Nike Friendlies are being used a bit differently this year, at least for the '02s, though I can guess at other reasons.
     
  8. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    This will most likely result in Wicky being moved up to the 20's. The tournament is now 5 months earlier than it was for the last cycle giving ussoccer a lot less time to identify, hire, and integrate a coach into the team before qualifying begins. They will most likely only get 3 camps, with one being right before qualifying.
     
  9. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    I like it. No guarantees but makes it a better chance that the likes of Uly, Booth, Reyna, Konrad, etc. are released.
     
  10. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I normally don't like to watch these CONCACAF youth qualifiers but these U20s are gonna score a lot of goals. I expect a few Hat-tricks from Uly, if he plays.
     
  11. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't like the idea of the tournament being so early in the cycle. If you are going to hold the qualifying tournament so early, the U-20 WC could then be every year. What's the point of having nearly a year between qualifying and the U-20 WC?
     
  12. Soccerfan12435

    Apr 22, 2019
    United States
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  13. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Not for a while..................

    I mean, Gladbach is actually sitting in first place in the Bundesliga right now.

    Our elite of the elite prospects seem to take a year (McKennie, Sargent, etc.) before being a real first team option. I'm not sure Scally is in that category either.
     
  14. Soccerfan12435

    Apr 22, 2019
    United States

    sorry I meant the U20 roster, my bad for being unclear ha
     
  15. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I don't see why not.........................

    When we look at the fullbacks that were called up to the last camp, it wasn't an insurmountable list of competition. I mean, Kevin Bonilla of FCD was on that roster at right back. He's not getting a Bundesliga offer any time soon...................................
     
  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    He was the starting RB, for better or worse, on the last U17 squad that generally forms much of the core of the next U20.

    However, because of the three year gap, he'll also have to compete with any '01s that weren't eligible.

    Julian Araujo, who has played RW, RB and CB, was on that squad as an '01. So that's probably his first competition. I don't know of too many more 18 year old RBs.

    Bryan Reynolds from FC Dallas. Sebastian Anderson from the Rapids, who backed up Scally.

    And I'm sure other contenders will appear.
     
  17. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Now that the tournament is in June, here's my next projection for the team.

    GK: Ochoa, Las
    DF: Scally, Hernandez-Foster, Bello, Jonathan Gomez, Araujo, Akanyirige, Campbell
    MF: Booth, Bassett, Tessman, Atencio, Llanez, de la Fuente, two of Nyeman/Milijevic/Gallegos
    FW: Ocampo-Chavez, Reyna, Hoppe

    Others in contention: Wilson, Cuevas, Malone, Gray, Carrera, A. Reynolds, Ramsey, Haak, Hoffmann, Martinez, Chifamba, Otasowie, Duke, Penagos, Harper, Palomino, Roberts, Busio, Dunbar, Pepi, Johan Gomez, Kelman, Pepi, Cardoso, Diaz

    Goalie is very cut and dry. Ochoa is a returning player, so he'll be there. Las is the best keeper in the age group, so he should be there, as well. Hopefully there's a keeper competition, but I wouldn't doubt that since Ochoa is returning, he's the starter, and the places fill in from there. When we add a third keeper for the U-20 WC, Wilson is the clear cut choice, and probably should be the back up to Las over Ochoa.

    Defense has a lot fewer options than some other positions. I think there are three LB's that need to be on the roster, so we'll need to do some maneuvering of positions again. Can Gomez or KHF be the back up RB or play CB? I think that'll have to be how it is. I wouldn't guarantee Gomez or Bello spots yet. Gomez is playing up an age group, so he needs to prove he can do that (players always struggle with this) and Bello probably starts off lower on the depth chart, so both could still not make the team, and instead we take two LB's instead of three.

    RB is very weak. After Scally, I can't find a player who deserves to make the team. If we need to add another, I think you have to go to Cuevas, but I think he's probably not good enough to play up an age group. CB is also weak. Araujo is the incumbent, I also think Akanyirige and Campbell are good options. Outside of that, we are lacking good options. Malone is an option, but will be out of season. Carrera, Gray and Ramsey also might have a chance, but are not the greatest options either.

    CM is very competitive. Booth and Tessman both have spots, IMO. Atencio deserves a spot as a back up holding mid, and I think we probably need another workhorse style of player in there, so I'd add Bassett. There's definitely some competition for spots though. Hoffmann could take a spot as a technically inclined #8. He might even be an option as a RB. Haak is probably the main alternative to Atencio as a #6. Martinez and Duke are utility players who can play a bunch of roles, mostly as #8's, but I think probably will miss out due to the sheer numbers.

    Chifamba should an option to play up a year, but I suspect he's not yet eligible, so I doubt he'll factor in. Penagos is an option as a #8. Otasowie is another utility player (like Martinez and Duke) that can play a number of positions. I'm not going to mention Leyva as an option because I think we saw at the U-17 WC that he doesn't have the athleticism to play up an age group at the international level, so I wouldn't consider him an option, although he otherwise would be.

    There's also some competition in the attacking mid spots. Llanez and de la Fuente are locks as returners. I think we'll have to see about Nyeman's citizenship by June. If he doesn't have it, he won't be on the team. Even then, he has to prove he deserves to play up an age group, like with Gomez. Milijevic probably also would claim a spot, but does he want to play for the USA or would he prefer Argentina or Croatia? I don't think it's clear which country he wants to play for. If one of the two isn't on the team, Gallegos takes the next spot.

    Harper is a player who I find it hard to leave off the roster, but there's a lot of depth in his position. Palomino probably misses out due to his club situation. Had it been more settled, he might take a spot. Roberts, Busio, Dunbar are some lesser options who could also take spots, but I think there are clear better options than all of them.

    Striker is harder to predict. I'd start out with the presumption that Reyna and AOC will take spots. The third spot should go to more of a target forward. I think Pepi has struggled a lot playing in higher age groups. Hoppe is struggling at Schalke. I'll go with Hoppe for now over Pepi, but either could take that spot.

    If neither earns it, we could even consider some other style CF's like Johan Gomez, Diaz or Kelman, but Gomez is struggling to start his season, Diaz might be done playing for USYNT's with his recent Puerto Rico call ups, Kelman is injured, and probably more of a depth option than anything. Cardoso is a wild card. I don't think anyone has any idea how good he is. He could take the bigger CF spot, as he's 6'0 and capable of holding the ball up
     
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  18. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    My team
    GK: Ochoa, Las, Odunze
    RB: Araujo, Scally
    CB: Campbell, Carerra, Sepulveda, Otasowie
    LB: Kobe, Sousa
    DM: Cardoso, Booth
    CM: Bassett, Ritaccio
    AM: Mihilevic, Roberts
    W: Uly, Reyna, Konrad
    ST: Kelman, Pepi, Hoppe (if Kelman is injured)
     
  19. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Odunze?:eek:. Maybe he'll improve by 2021 but he has not been good.
     
  20. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Gomez is ahead of Kobe or any other LB.
     
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  21. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Gomez is a good player. But he is not better than Kobe or Travian Sousa. Kobe is our best LB prospect by far and Sousa is a good player with 2 years on Gomez which makes a difference at this level. Gomez has had a pretty good showing at the Nike Friendlies but if we needed a first choice team for the 20's he is not in it which is the downside to being one of the youngest players in a cycle of 3 age groups. He's a lock starter for the 18's and needs to lock down the starting LB role for Dallas before we give him a u20 call up as Bello could very well be an Atlanta starter and Kobe in the fall of 2020 could very realistically become a bundesliga starter.
     
  22. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    LOL
     
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  23. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    Eh, Kobe is such a different player at LB. He’s always been the alpha talent on the field anytime I’ve seen play there. He’ll be able to choose any club in Europe he wants when he turns 18 (just not England).

    A few years back, we’d have our LB eggs in on Sam Vines. Now a 20 y/o consistent MLS starter (who did well against Carlos Vela) is not even a top 5 LB prospect in our youth ranks.
     
  24. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Kobe is an excellent attacking LB. How good he will be defending against bigger faster (he isn't super fast) wingers remains to be seen, and yes, all of a sudden, LB position is a strength of youth teams.
     
  25. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Are we just giving up on George Bello?
     
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