The 2021 U-20 Qualifying Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Peretz48, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I really don't know why they didn't move them to July or so. Perhaps I am overoptimistic, but I think we're going to see a pretty heavy vaccination schedule even in less wealthy countries.

    Coupled with the much lower rates of severe illness amongst young people, and I wonder if there's a need if you establish protocols.

    I am fairly sure we are going to have an Olympics, come hell or high water.
     
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  2. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Along with the fact that these tournaments are built for a bubble and no one attends the game anyways. They're the most COVID proof tourneys of all.
     
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  3. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    The problem might be that the countries hosting have two of the worst track records. Flights there will be a nightmare.
     
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  4. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    This is a youth soccer tournament at the end of the day. The world will continue to revolve around its axis. We hate it, but in the grand scheme of the world's problems right now..................this must rank below whether we're eating too much garlic as a people.

    The real challenge is that FIFA uses these events to support the 2nd tier nations. So they aren't going to move the event from Indonesia to Germany. Indonesia has already done the planning, etc. And nobody wants to travel to Indonesia in the near future. Also................we should think about the fact that its not worth the risk to the health of officials, referees, volunteers, stadium workers, etc. For a youth soccer tournament? And think of the cost and planning of testing regimes that you'd require.............in Indonesia. Do you trust it?
     
  5. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    I imagine we now see a handful of
    In the most basic terms, if these youth tournaments made money for FIFA, they'd still be happening.
     
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  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    No question. These events are mostly money losers for FIFA.
    I imagine the U20WC in Canada a long time ago, which was well attended, did alright.

    The only reason the Olympics weren't completely cancelled last year was the amount of money stake.
     
  7. Brotheryoungbuck

    Jan 24, 2015
    parts unknown
    It seems like other countries are getting better at scouting MLS and MLS Next. I think in terms of getting our players scouted this could have gone worse.
     
  8. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    But it'll be particularly tough for a lot of smaller CONCACAF nations if they don't hold some kind of U20 tournament.
     
  9. Brotheryoungbuck

    Jan 24, 2015
    parts unknown
    You’re not a self interested man, or you just like to post.
     
  10. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's much, much better for our players this happened this year rather than 4, 6, or 8 years ago.
     
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  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    We're a mutation away from an extinction-level event and people worry about youth tournaments.
     
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  12. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    No sense to worry about extinction level events.
     
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  13. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Were an asteroid away from extinction, a super volcanic eruption away from extinction and so on and so forth.
     
  14. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Umm -- is there a way for me to get paid for this stuff? Please sign me up! Or just send money directly.
     
  15. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was nodding my head in total agreement with that first post until I came to the very next one. You two.
     
  16. Eldinter

    Eldinter Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So what would have a U20 roster looked like if the tournament wasn't cancelled?
     
  17. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #992 David Kerr, Mar 12, 2021
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2021
    This is a tough one. For those who would answer it has to be a 21 man roster with 3 GK’s. I’m going to exclude USMNT locks and players still not in the USMNT yes like Efra, Alex Mighten, Folarin Balogun, or Bryan Okoh

    GK: David Ochoa, Damian Las, Chituru Odunze
    RB: Julian Araujo, Bryan Reynolds
    CB: Owen Otasowie, Leo Sepulveda, Nico Carrera
    LB: George Bello, Travian Sousa
    6: Johnny Cardoso, Aidan Morris
    8: Tanner Tessmann, Cole Bassett
    10: Caden Clark, Jose Gallegos
    W: Uly Llanez, Konrad, Cam Harper
    ST: Matthew Hoppe, Ricardo Pepi

    Still a pretty strong team. Gianluca Busio is someone who could be in over Aidan Morris but based on conversations with coaches who break down both I rate Morris higher at this moment but just barely. Otasowie has to be a CB for me because we have no other CB’s. Jonathan Gomez had an argument but i still don’t think he’s done enough to jump Sousa yet. Outside of that I think the rest of the roster is fairly locked in because the top 2-3 options in the position are clearly separated from the pack.

    This team would be very different from the 2019 team because there is a lot more emphasis on physical prowess. With guys like Cardoso, Tessmann/Bassett, Araujo, Otasowie, Seoulveda, and Bello I have a hard time seeing other teams outmatch us physically. We also have our skillful creators in Uly, Konrad, and Caden/Gallegos so we don’t lack there either. I think this team is just as good as the 2019 team. They’re good enough to make a semi/final run unless they have an off day like we did against Ecuador in 2019.

    My 11: David Ochoa, Julian Araujo, Owen Otasowie, Leo Sepulveda, George Bello, Johnny Cardoso, Tanner Tessmann, Caden Clark, KDLF, Uly Llanez, Matthew Hoppe
     
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  18. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Close to mine.. I had Flach (if healthy) over Sousa. Left back is his second position but he’s a smart player

    Leaving Vassilev off is the right call, but what a bad year
     
  19. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly I’ve never had Indy in my team regardless of the prem cameo’s. Uly, Konrad, and Cam Harper are too good to keep off and if I wanted a 4th winger it’d be Matko Milijevic. He’ll have a good career but I think these guys just flat out surpassed him in this group
     
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  20. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Matko, while healthy, hasn’t played a game in over 13 months. It’ll be 16 come his next chance. Just awful decision making

    I only said Indiana is because Hudson spoke favorable of him

    Either Harper or Bassett were gonna be captain.

    I think Harper has a real good chance to do well this season with RBNY
     
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  21. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh

    I pretty much agree with you everywhere but the midfield. I think Morris-Bassett is a really great 6-8 pairing even if Cardoso is better all around. I think you have to fit Busio on this team somehow. He’s been very good in MLS as a teenager but if I’m being honest it’s hard to find that perfect midfield partner for him. I don’t think Tessmann breaks into the group; he’s better all around than Morris but he’s not as good as Busio or Bassett yet.

    I don’t rate Clark nearly as much as most. As a 10 Gallegos is a better choice, and there’s no guarantee this team would have even used a 10 over 2 8s. Gallegos was a much more dangerous creator in USL than Clark and much better in possession. I hope he gets a big move because he’s the real deal.
     
  22. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I did this very quick. I could've missed a player or two.

    GK: Las, Ochoa, Wilson
    DF: Scally, Reynolds, Araujo, Bello, KHF, Otasowie, Akanyirige
    MF: Johnny, Booth, Tessmann, Bassett, Konrad, Llanez, Harper, Reyna
    FW: Hoppe, AOC, Pepi

    Las
    Scally-Araujo-Otasowie-KHF
    Johnny-Booth
    Konrad-Reyna-Llanez
    Hoppe
     
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  23. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I came here to post a thread asking who everyone would have picked for the US roster if the U-20 World Cup were on this year. Glad to see y'all are already on it. :)

    Here is who I would select for the roster (I may have missed some players or injuries). I assume Gio Reyna and Yunus Musah would not be considered given their role with the senior team (if they were considered, they'd replace Caden Clark and Gianluca Busio, respectively):

    GOALKEEPERS
    - David Ochoa
    - Damian Las
    - Chituru Odunze

    DEFENDERS
    FB
    - Julian Araujo
    - George Bello
    - Bryan Reynolds
    - Joe Scally
    CB
    - Owen Otasowie (converted from DM based on lack of CB depth)
    - Jacob Akanyirige
    - Nicolas Slonina

    MIDFIELDERS
    DM
    - Johnny Cardoso
    - Aidan Morris
    CM
    - Taylor Booth
    - Tanner Tessman
    - Gianluca Busio
    AM
    - Cole Bassett

    FORWARDS
    WING
    - Ulysses Llanez
    - Konrad de la Fuente
    - Caden Clark
    ST
    - Matthew Hoppe
    - Charlie Kelman


    The final cuts / alternates for me are:
    - Tayvon Gray
    - Andre Reynolds
    - Sebastian Berhalter
    - Leon Flach
    - Indiana Vassilev
    - Cameron Harper
    - Ricardo Pepi

    Pepi, in particular, was a tough omission (he was my final cut), and I could envision including him as a recruiting tactic, but Kelman is a more polished forward at this point and has proven more at the club level.

    Overall, this is a pretty strong squad, particularly in the midfield. There are some players cut who would have been shoo-ins to make a roster in cycles prior to 2019, based on minutes earned at the club level. The roster is thin at CB and bit unproven at ST outside of Matthew Hoppe (similar to the 2015, 2017 and 2019 cycles).

    I don't think the roster is as good as what we fielded in 2019 -- there are fewer game-changers here as compared to Chris Richards, Sergiño Dest, Paxton Pomykal and Timothy Weah.

    But it stacks up well to our 2015 and 2017 squads, so depending on the draw and form, I could see this team making a run to the quarterfinals, or at minimum, making it to the round of 16.

    Here's the likely starting XI I'd field (though I think there'd be a fair amount of squad rotation given the roster depth and lack of drop-off):

    Llanez-----------Hoppe----------Konrad
    ---------Tessman---------Booth----------
    ------------------Cardoso------------------
    Bello--Otasowie--Akanyirige--Araujo
    -------------------Ochoa-------------------

    Cole Bassett would be first off the bench for me, depending on match dynamics. I'd also envision Bryan Reynolds earning a start in the group stage, with Araujo able to slide over to LB to spell Bello as needed.
     
  24. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a fine debate.. But I will say there was no way Harper would have been left off the team. Hudson loves the guy.
     
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  25. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Its also hard for me to imagine Pepi being left out of the group...............................

    I don't really know where Kelman fits it in. To me he's in the same tier as Johan Gomez and others.

    I'm admittedly biased, but I think Pepi is going to have a real breakout in 2021.

    An interesting one is Cade Cowell. He was just at USMNT/U23 camp in January.
    People continuously doubt that kid, but he's having an impact in MLS.
     
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