When you're simply listing numbers, sure, but when you use "rest" as any sort of meaningful number, you're bringing in something other then numbers, and cherry picking data. Is there any evidence to backup the idea that there is a correlation between more games and points gained per game? I mean, obviously RSL has had less rest up until this point, which would suggest otherwise.
It'd be complicated to measure that, though it could be done. Plus, in MLS better teams are, in effect, "punished" with more games, and worse teams are "rewarded" with fewer games. There are exceptions to that (like DCU right now), but in general that's how it is: better teams end up in the CCL and surviving in the USOC.
I agree, I wasn't trying to be an argumentative prick, I just would like to know if there's actually any evidence to back up the idea that having more games at the end really plays out to any quantifiable disadvantage, rather then just some generalized "assumption" that teams with more games struggle. I don't think any of the teams have a back breaking amount of games left, so I don't think it will come into play that much. I'd think the call-ups are much more likely to affect the outcome then a few midweek CCL games. There's also a ton to be said for having momentum to carry you into the playoffs, and those extra games can certainly help as well as hurt in that regard. LA had a lot of games last year going into the end of the year and they were picking up steam, not huffing and puffing come playoff time.
I thought someone did an analysis in the last couple of years of games played and final season finish which showed that teams who play a higher number of official matches usually fare worse in the table.
I dunno Seattle has had some pretty heavy late summer/fall schedules, and yet we have played our best soccer from August on over the last few years. We are doing so again this year without the same congestion. Pretty sure the same is true for LA over the last 3 seasons or so.
It wasn't that they performed worse in the table, it's that they fared worse in the playoffs. The #1 indicator of which team would win the first round playoff series was the team with the fewest games.. I think the Galaxy have destroyed that measure in the last few seasons though.
So basically, if Montreal manages to take the Supporters Shield it will have been nothing short of epic given the kind of schedule they have for the next 2 months.
I don't think we know if there's any true correlation between late season fixture congestion and on the field results.
There was a good analysis showing that teams who played many games did badly in the playoffs. I don't know if it's been looked at for late regular season games. But, which position would you rather be in? One in which you averaged a bit over 4 days of rest between games or one in which you had nearly twice as much rest?
Depends on form, depends on what players are still getting used to working together, depends on which players are recovering and need game fitness. If i'd been struggling all year, and just rounding into form, i'd rather have more games. I think momentum has a lot more of an impact then a little fixture congestion.
Depends what you mean by momentum.. The analysis that was put out also looked at run of form and number of games was still more important.
Ahhhh. I thought we were talking about playoffs still. In that case, you are correct. I know for the Sounders the players got used to the grind and tended to go on end of season runs once CCL started up.
The way things are going, Friday's RSL@SEA match may be, uh, dispositive with respect to the shield. Thanks again to Knave for keeping this thread up to date. I hope the points tomorrow's "Knave Bowl" are a soothing balm.
Even if Seattle lose to RSL they could still catch them due to the games in hand. If Seattle beat RSL, then they take over first with games in hand. (I am responding with no clue as to who or what Madoka is)
I'm an RSL fan and I find this statement bizarre. Look, RSL plays at Seattle on Friday. There are 2 points separating the teams with Seattle having 2 games in hand. Games in hand are not gold, automatic advancement, etc. They are simply opportunity. While nobody should think they are worth 3 points each, they are also not worthless. Estimating them to be worth the team's PPG pace is pretty reasonable. Friday's game is definitely determinative relative to RSL's and Sounders' pursuit of the SS. RSL wins, and they have 5 point lead with Sounders having 2 games in hand. Sounders will need to play better than 2 points/game to catch RSL. Draw and things remain as they stand. Sounders win and it is very bad for RSL, as mentioned above. Sounders will have a one point lead and 2 games in hand. Winner of RSL-SEA is in the catbird seat.
I've checked, nothing situational in play re: chivas elimination right now. Basically, if they win, they're still in, no matter what the San Jose result. But it is quite close. I think it requires Colorado and LA to advance. Anyways, it will be nice to see the second official elimination.
Columbus are barely not mathematically eliminated from the SS race. One such path to SS: Columbus wins out, DCU wins out, CHV wins out, TOR wins out, CHI wins out, NER wins out, RSL loses out, SEA loses out, LAG draws POR and then loses out, POR loses out, COL loses to DAL and SJE, DAL loses out, and then the rest of the games draw out. Several of the lower ranked teams' results could go a few different ways and they could be okay, but there isn't a lot of margin of error either. So, in all likelihood, one more week and Columbus will be out of the race. The crazy thing is, I don't think they can be eliminated by today's match-ups (I'm not 100% sure, but at a cursory glance none of the match-ups today look super-vital to Columbus' chances).
If I'm proven wrong, so be it because the higher being of hope said so. But right now, my guys won't catch your guys with the way we played last night.