Re: ... Burnt Tortilla Edition ... Everyone can look at CHV (and SJE and CHI) and point to FCD's amazing late season run in 2009 and say they're not dead yet, they just need to make a great run like FCD's. But these teams all need over 2.00 PPG to remain playoff competitive precisely because they're teams that don't seem to have what it takes to make a great run. That's why, to me, when your despair numbers start edging over 2.00 PPG, you are, effectively, toast. Maybe not technically dead, but the grim reaper is approaching. Perhaps something crazy will happen, but usually it doesn't. Plus, let us not forget what happened to FCD in the 2009 playoffs ... oh, that's right: they didn't ultimately make the playoffs. I'd like to be wrong about all this. I'd love to see CHV (or SJE or CHI) make some crazy run and maybe even get themselves into the playoffs. How cool would that be! But realistically, I just don't think it's going to happen. So that's what I go with here when I try to characterize the playoff picture.
Re: ... Burnt Tortilla Edition ... I didnt say it was likely, just that it was possible. For example, if Wondolowski goes bonkers at the end of the year like he did last year, and scores 7+ goals in the last 7 games, 2.0 ppg seems quite possible. Unlikely? Sure, but as the number of games approaches 0, freakishly high ppg totals become less of a stretch. All it would really take is one offensive player going on a hot goalscoring streak.
I think you're correct, but unless I'm reading this wrong, you haven't officially clinched the tiebreaker against NY yet. It says first tiebreaker is Head to Head W/L record against tied teams, and the second tiebreaker is won by the "team with the greater goal difference against all other teams during the regular season." Which to me, since they didn't say "all other teams equal in points," means final league goal differential, not GD in the head-to-head series. So, you and NY both won your home games against each other, but the GD in that series appears not to matter. So as long as you maintain your current overall GD lead over NY (currently at 12 to 4) you've got the spot. Problem is, if NY manages to tie you on points, it's almost impossible that you will have maintained that GD lead over them (they will have had to win all their games to get to your point total, you'd have to lose yours, so your GD will go down). So, if Portland and Houston lose their next game and you win, you clinch officially. (I think Jasonma added this just as I was making the edit).
MLS's press release today stated that Seattle could clinch this week. Seattle defeats D.C. United AND o Portland loses to New England AND o Houston loses to either Columbus OR San Jose this week
Just for reference, I think this was pretty much the summation of our fairly exhaustive MLS tie-breaker discussion in last year's version of this thread: MLS Tie Breaking Procedures We have on good authority that that's how it all works.
... Houston 1836ed Edition ... Code: [B][U] GP GR W D L PTS PPG PRJ MPP SE# T# M# WS# HD# AD# CNF[/U] [COLOR="DarkBlue"]01 LAG 28 06 15 10 03 55 1.96 67 73 19 -- -- -- ---- ---- W[/COLOR] 02 RSL 26 08 13 06 07 45 1.73 59 69 15 36 10 -- ---- ---- W 03 SEA 28 06 13 09 06 48 1.71 58 66 12 33 07 -- ---- ---- W 04 FCD 28 06 13 07 08 46 1.64 56 64 10 31 09 -- ---- ---- W 05 CMB 28 06 11 08 09 41 1.46 50 59 05 26 14 02 0.67 0.37 E 06 SKC 28 06 10 10 08 40 1.43 49 58 04 25 15 03 0.83 0.53 E 07 COL 29 05 10 11 08 41 1.41 48 56 02 23 14 02 0.80 0.44 W 08 DCU 25 09 08 10 07 34 1.36 46 61 07 28 21 09 1.22 1.02 E 09 PHI 27 07 08 12 07 36 1.33 45 57 03 24 19 07 1.29 1.03 E 10 HOU 29 05 08 12 09 36 1.24 42 51 -- 18 19 07 1.80 1.44 E ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 POR 27 07 09 06 12 33 1.22 42 54 -- 21 22 10 1.71 1.46 W 12 NYR 27 07 06 15 06 33 1.22 42 54 -- 21 22 10 1.71 1.46 E 13 CHV 28 06 07 10 11 31 1.11 38 49 -- 16 24 12 2.33 2.03 W 14 SJE 27 07 06 11 10 29 1.07 37 50 -- 17 26 14 2.29 2.03 W 15 CHI 27 07 04 15 08 27 1.00 34 48 -- 15 28 16 2.57 2.32 E 16 NER 28 06 05 12 11 27 0.96 33 45 -- 12 28 16 3.00 2.70 E 17 TFC 29 05 05 12 12 27 0.93 32 42 -- 09 28 16 ---- ---- E 18 VAN 27 07 04 10 13 22 0.81 28 43 -- 10 33 21 ---- ---- W Current AD-Baseline: 43^ (Down 1 since the last update.)[/B] Code: [B]GP = Games Played | GR = Games Remaining | PPG = Points Per Game PRJ = Projected = PTS + (PPG x GR) MPP = Max Points Possible = PTS + (3 x GR) SE# = SS Elimination Number = MPP - (1st Place PTS) + 1 M# = Magic Number = (11th Highest MPP) – PTS + 1 T# = Tragic Number = MPP – (10th Highest PTS) + 1 WS# = Wooden Spoon # = (18th Highest MPP) - PTS +1 HD# = Historical Despair Number = [URL="https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24203471&postcount=1"]Full explanation[/URL] AD# = Actual Despair Number = [URL="https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24203471&postcount=1"]Full explanation[/URL] - Sorted by PPG, then most GR, then REVERSE alphabetical.* - Teams in [COLOR="SlateGray"]gray[/COLOR] have been eliminated from the playoffs. - Teams in [COLOR="DarkBlue"]blue[/COLOR] have clinched a playoff spot. - Teams in [COLOR="SeaGreen"]green[/COLOR] are conference seeds. - Team in [COLOR="Brown"]brown[/COLOR] has won the Wooden Spoon. - Teams in [I]italics[/I] are conference champions.[/B] Asterisks * In the final weeks MLS tie-breakers will replace the final alphabetical sort. But until the final weeks it's seriously not worth the bother. ^ Set by HOU’s current 42 point (1.25 PPG) pace. Notes Way to blow what little advantage you had, HOU. The door just opened a little wider for POR and NYR.
Getting so close to our first eliminated team, I can smell it. Unfortunately, that's still not going to happen till Wednesday at the very earliest - Portland would have to win against San Jose and Toronto would have to lose tomorrow morning for that to happen, I believe.
... Counter-Revolution Edition ... Code: [B][U] GP GR W D L PTS PPG PRJ MPP SE# T# M# WS# HD# AD# CNF[/U] [COLOR="Blue"]01 LAG 28 06 15 10 03 55 1.96 67 73 19 -- -- -- ---- ---- W[/COLOR] 02 RSL 26 08 13 06 07 45 1.73 59 69 15 34 10 -- ---- ---- W 03 SEA 28 06 13 09 06 48 1.71 58 66 12 31 07 -- ---- ---- W 04 FCD 28 06 13 07 08 46 1.64 56 64 10 29 09 -- ---- ---- W 05 CMB 28 06 11 08 09 41 1.46 50 59 05 24 14 02 0.67 0.62 E 06 SKC 28 06 10 10 08 40 1.43 49 58 04 23 15 03 0.83 0.79 E 07 COL 29 05 10 11 08 41 1.41 48 56 02 21 14 02 0.80 0.74 W 08 DCU 25 09 08 10 07 34 1.36 46 61 07 26 21 09 1.22 1.19 E 09 PHI 27 07 08 12 07 36 1.33 45 57 03 22 19 07 1.29 1.24 E 10 POR 28 06 10 06 12 36 1.29 44 54 -- 19 19 07 1.50 1.45 W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 HOU 29 05 08 12 09 36 1.24 42 51 -- 16 19 07 1.80 1.74 E 12 NYR 27 07 06 15 06 33 1.22 42 54 -- 19 22 10 1.71 1.67 E 13 CHV 28 06 07 10 11 31 1.11 38 49 -- 14 24 12 2.33 2.29 W 14 SJE 27 07 06 11 10 29 1.07 37 50 -- 15 26 14 2.29 2.24 W 15 CHI 27 07 04 15 08 27 1.00 34 48 -- 13 28 16 2.57 2.53 E 16 NER 29 05 05 12 12 27 0.93 32 42 -- 07 28 16 ---- ---- E 17 TFC 29 05 05 12 12 27 0.93 32 42 -- 07 28 16 ---- ---- E 18 VAN 27 07 04 10 13 22 0.81 28 43 -- 08 33 21 ---- ---- W Current AD-Baseline: 45^ (Up 2 since the last update.)[/B] Code: [B]GP = Games Played | GR = Games Remaining | PPG = Points Per Game PRJ = Projected = PTS + (PPG x GR) MPP = Max Points Possible = PTS + (3 x GR) SE# = SS Elimination Number = MPP - (1st Place PTS) + 1 M# = Magic Number = (11th Highest MPP) – PTS + 1 T# = Tragic Number = MPP – (10th Highest PTS) + 1 WS# = Wooden Spoon # = (18th Highest MPP) - PTS +1 HD# = Historical Despair Number = [URL="https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24203471&postcount=1"]Full explanation[/URL] AD# = Actual Despair Number = [URL="https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24203471&postcount=1"]Full explanation[/URL] - Sorted by PPG, then most GR, then alphabetical.* - Teams in [COLOR="SlateGray"]gray[/COLOR] have been eliminated from the playoffs. - Teams in [COLOR="Blue"]blue[/COLOR] have clinched a playoff spot. - Teams in [COLOR="SeaGreen"]green[/COLOR] are conference seeds. - Team in [COLOR="Brown"]brown[/COLOR] has won the Wooden Spoon. - Teams in [I]italics[/I] are conference champions.[/B] Asterisks * In the final weeks MLS tie-breakers will replace the final alphabetical sort. But until the final weeks it's seriously not worth the bother. ^ Set by POR’s current 44 point (1.29 PPG) pace. Notes And that's how NER's season ended. Their despair numbers are now both well above 3.00 PPG. See you next year! Huge, huge win for POR. They've clawed their way into the top ten, and in the process raised the AD-Baseline by 2 points. If HOU and NYR want to remain playoff competitive, they need to win on Saturday. Especially HOU, who having played one more game than either POR or NYR, has zero margin for error. Indeed, they're already relying on another team making an error.
The Rapids are now knocked out of the race for the SS, and an LA win coupled with the appropriate losses could see KC, Philly and/or Columbus join that group.
Beyond that, however, at first glance I don't think the COL loss really made all that much difference. But if they can't get 4 or more points out of SJE, FCD, RSL and @VAN then that'll make a big difference.
I'm thinking that the strategy in the East should be to shoot for 2nd place. As it is shaping up, the East #1 is likely to draw the #4 team in the entire table in the semi's, and and East #2 would draw East #3, which will likely be in #8 in the entire table. That is a pretty big difference. You could even say that #3 in the East has an easier draw than #1. In the final week or two, it will be interesting if any of the Eastern top qualifiers decide to play less than all out, understanding that going down in the standings a bit could assist them in the playoffs.
You mean they're playing all out now? In the last 5 games, the top 6 Eastern teams are doing the following: 1. Columbus = 0.8 ppg 2. Sporting KC = 1.4 ppg 3. Philadelphia = 1.0 ppg 4. Houston = 1.4 ppg 5. New York = 1.2 ppg 6. DC = 1.4 ppg Compare that with the West 1. Los Angeles = 2.6 ppg 2. Seattle = 2.0 ppg 3. RSL = 2.4 ppg 4. Dallas = 0.8 ppg 5. Colorado = 0.8 ppg 6. Portland = 2.0 ppg But your point about the #2 & #3 Eastern seeds being preferable is valid, as the data clearly indicates.
Re: ... Burnt Tortilla Edition ... Don't look now, but Chicago is at 2ppg even with the loss at San Jose in the last 5 games. DWWLW
Re: ... Burnt Tortilla Edition ... If we consider the group from Colorado to DC as being the 3 wild-card + 3 EC contenders (one of FCD / RSL / SEA takes one wild-card, and sorry Chivas, you're trailing by 3 points to a team that has 3 games in hand), then we've got 10 remaining matches between the teams that fall in that category: Philly @ KC Portland @ NY Columbus @ KC DC @ Philly DC @ Columbus Houston @ Portland NY @ KC Portland @ DC Philly @ NY KC @ DC KC and DC have the most to gain / lose, with 4 games against other contenders, followed by NY / Philly / Portland with 3, Columbus with 2, and Houston with 1. Colorado falls into that point category, but stays out of the fray by having games against SJ, RSL, FCD, and Vancouver. Still a lot of movement possible.
... Unmoved Table Edition ... Code: [B][U] GP GR W D L PTS PPG PRJ MPP SE# T# M# WS# HD# AD# CNF[/U] [COLOR="Blue"]01 LAG 29 05 16 10 03 58 2.00 68 73 16 -- -- -- ---- ---- W[/COLOR] 02 RSL 27 07 14 06 07 48 1.78 60 69 12 34 06 -- ---- ---- W 03 SEA 29 05 14 09 06 51 1.76 60 66 09 31 03 -- ---- ---- W 04 FCD 29 05 13 07 09 46 1.59 54 61 04 26 08 -- ---- ---- W 05 CMB 29 05 11 08 10 41 1.41 48 56 -- 21 13 -- 0.80 0.84 E 06 PHI 28 06 09 12 07 39 1.39 47 57 -- 22 15 02 1.00 1.03 E 07 SKC 29 05 10 10 09 40 1.38 47 55 -- 20 14 01% 1.00 1.04 E 08 COL 30 04 10 11 09 41 1.37 46 53 -- 18 13 -- 1.00 1.05 W 09 DCU 26 08 08 10 08 34 1.31 44 58 01 23 20 07 1.38 1.40 E 10 HOU 30 04 09 12 09 39 1.30 44 51 -- 16 15 02 1.50 1.55 E ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 POR 28 06 10 06 12 36 1.29 44 54 -- 19 18 05 1.50 1.53 W 12 NYR 28 06 07 15 06 36 1.29 44 54 -- 19 18 05 1.50 1.53 E 13 CHI 28 06 05 15 08 30 1.07 36 48 -- 13 24 11 2.50 2.53 E 14 CHV 29 05 07 10 12 31 1.07 36 46 -- 11 23 10 2.80 2.84 W 15 SJE 28 06 06 11 11 29 1.04 35 47 -- 12 25 12 2.67 2.70 W 16 TFC 30 04 06 12 12 30 1.00 34 42 -- 07 24 11 ---- ---- E 17 NER 29 05 05 12 12 27 0.93 32 42 -- 07 27 14 ---- ---- E 18 VAN 28 06 04 10 14 22 0.79 27 40 -- 05 32 19 ---- ---- W Current AD-Baseline: 45^ (Unchanged since the last update.) [/B] Code: [B]GP = Games Played | GR = Games Remaining | PPG = Points Per Game MPP = Max Points Possible = PTS + (3 x GR) SE# = SS Elimination Number = MPP - (1st Place PTS) + 1 M# = Magic Number = (11th Highest MPP) – PTS + 1 T# = Tragic Number = MPP – (10th Highest PTS) + 1 WS# = Wooden Spoon # = (18th Highest MPP) - PTS +1 HD# = Historical Despair Number = [URL="https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24203471&postcount=1"]Full explanation[/URL] AD# = Actual Despair Number = [URL="https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24203471&postcount=1"]Full explanation[/URL] - Sorted by PPG, then most GR, then REVERSE alphabetical.* - Teams in [COLOR="SlateGray"]gray[/COLOR] have been eliminated from the playoffs. - Teams in [COLOR="Blue"]blue[/COLOR] have clinched a playoff spot. - Teams in [COLOR="SeaGreen"]green[/COLOR] are conference seeds. - Team in [COLOR="Brown"]brown[/COLOR] has won the Wooden Spoon. - Teams in [I]italics[/I] are conference champions.[/B] Asterisks * In the final weeks MLS tie-breakers will replace the final alphabetical sort. But until the final weeks it's seriously not worth the bother. ^ Set by HOU’s current 44 point (1.30 PPG) pace. % SKC holds the first tie-breaker over VAN. Therefore, despite a WS# of 1, they have escaped WS contention. Code: [B][U]Pace: Deviation from 3 at home, 1 on the road[/U] [U] GP PTS HG AG HW HD HL AW AD AL PCE[/U] 01 LAG 29 58 15 14 10 05 00 06 05 03 -01 02 SEA 29 51 15 14 08 04 03 06 05 03 -08 03 RSL 27 48 15 12 10 03 02 04 03 05 -09 04 FCD 29 46 15 14 08 03 04 05 04 05 -13 05 DCU 26 34 12 14 03 06 03 05 04 05 -16 06 SKC 29 40 14 15 07 05 02 03 05 07 -17 07 COL 30 41 14 16 05 07 02 05 04 07 -17 08 NYR 28 36 13 15 05 06 02 02 09 04 -18 09 CMB 29 41 15 14 08 05 02 03 03 08 -18 10 PHI 28 39 15 13 06 08 01 03 04 06 -19 11 HOU 30 39 15 15 09 03 03 00 09 06 -21 12 POR 28 36 15 13 09 02 04 01 04 08 -22 13 CHI 28 30 14 14 04 08 02 01 07 06 -26 14 CHV 29 31 14 15 04 04 06 03 06 06 -26 15 SJE 28 29 15 13 04 07 04 02 04 07 -29 16 VAN 28 22 12 16 04 05 03 00 05 11 -30 17 NER 29 27 14 15 04 06 04 01 06 08 -30 18 TFC 30 30 15 15 05 06 04 01 06 08 -30 Sorted by PCE, then fewest GP, then PPG.[/B] Code: [B][U]PPG: Home and Away[/U] [U] HPPG APPG[/U] 01 LAG 2.33 01 LAG 1.64 02 RSL 2.20 02 SEA 1.64 03 HOU 2.00 03 DCU 1.36 04 CMB 1.93 04 FCD 1.36 05 POR 1.93 05 RSL 1.25 06 SEA 1.87 06 COL 1.19 07 SKC 1.86 07 CHV 1.00 08 FCD 1.80 08 PHI 1.00 09 PHI 1.73 09 NYR 1.00 10 NYR 1.62 10 SKC 0.93 11 COL 1.57 11 CMB 0.86 12 CHI 1.43 12 SJE 0.77 13 VAN 1.42 13 CHI 0.71 14 TFC 1.40 14 NER 0.60 15 NER 1.29 15 TFC 0.60 16 SJE 1.27 16 HOU 0.60 17 DCU 1.25 17 POR 0.54 18 CHV 1.14 18 VAN 0.31 [/B] Code: [B][U]Remaining League Schedule[/U] [U] WK28 WK29 WK30 WK31 WK32[/U] CHI: NER @RSL ---- FCD CMB ---- @HOU ---- @DCU ---- CMB: LAG @SKC ---- @NER @CHI ---- DCU ---- ---- ---- COL: SJE FCD ---- RSL @VAN CHV: @DCU PHI ---- @LAG SEA TFC ---- ---- ---- ---- DCU: CHV @PHI ---- @VAN POR RSL @CMB ---- CHI SKC FCD: HOU @COL ---- @CHI @SJE ---- ---- ---- VAN ---- HOU: @FCD CHI ---- @POR LAG LAG: @CMB RSL @NYR CHV @HOU NER: @CHI SEA SJE CMB @TFC NYR: RSL @TFC LAG @SKC PHI POR ---- ---- ---- ---- PHI: @SKC DCU @SEA TFC @NYR ---- @CHV ---- ---- ---- POR: SJE @VAN ---- HOU @DCU @NYR ---- ---- ---- @RSL RSL: @NYR CHI @VAN @COL POR @DCU @LAG ---- ---- ---- SEA: @VAN @NER PHI SJE @CHV SJE: @POR SKC @NER @SEA FCD @COL ---- ---- ---- ---- SKC: PHI CMB ---- NYR @DCU ---- @SJE ---- ---- ---- TFC: @CHV NYR ---- @PHI NER VAN: SEA POR RSL DCU COL ---- ---- ---- @FCD ---- [/B] Code: [B][U]Remaining Strength of Schedule[/U] (Factoring Opponent Home and Away Performance) 01 LAG: 1.56 02 HOU: 1.52 03 CMB: 1.51 04 SJE: 1.49 06 PHI: 1.41 07 CHI: 1.38 05 CHV: 1.37 08 RSL: 1.35 09 POR: 1.31 10 VAN: 1.30 11 NYR: 1.28 12 NER: 1.22 13 COL: 1.20 15 DCU: 1.19 14 SEA: 1.12 16 TFC: 1.12 17 SKC: 1.07 18 FCD: 1.04 [/B] Code: [B][U]MLS Numbers Resources[/U] [URL="http://www.sportsclubstats.com/USA/MLS.html"]SportsClubStats[/URL] [URL="http://playoffstatus.com/mls/mls.html"]PlayoffStatus[/URL] [URL="http://usasoccer.blogspot.com/"]Climbing The Ladder[/URL] [URL="http://www.settingthetable.info/home.asp"]Setting The Table[/URL] [URL="http://www.mlssoccer.com/playoffstandings"]MLSSoccer's Playoff Table[/URL] [URL="http://www.mlssoccer.com/competition-rules-and-regulations"]MLS Playoff Tiebreakers[/URL] [URL="http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=usa.1&cc=5901"]ESPN Soccernet's MLS Table[/URL] Please suggest others.[/B] Notes Amazingly little happened this weekend. A whole lot could have happened. All sorts of drama. But the way the results worked out, it didn’t. Nothing really happened. DCU could have taken a huge leap forward with a win against SEA, but the (predictable) loss had only the slightest negative effect on their playoff positioning. HOU could have taken a big drop with a loss, but they won. But because they have so few games left, their playoff hopes are just as iffy as they were last week. POR and NYR both won, so neither gained nor lost any advantage over each other. The only thing that really changed since last week is that instead of being spread out very slightly over a small PPG range, this week DCU, HOU, POR, and NYR are all, effectively, stacked up in the middle of the table at about 1.30 PPG – which translates to 44 PTS in a season. (Some will want to put COL into this group. I don’t. COL has 4 games left. I think they need 1 win and 1 draw to be reasonably assured a playoff spot. That’s a pretty low bar – much lower than DCU, HOU, POR, and NYR. You see this clearly in the despair numbers.) If one of these teams could just put together a decent run, even just a little unbeaten run, they’d probably be able to break out of the pack. But it may be that none of these teams are really capable of that. Both DCU and HOU are primed to plummet. HOU is walking into a buzz saw. It cannot afford to drop points, and it’s looking at the second toughest schedule in the league. DCU has the luxury of more games in hand than anyone else in the league (That is why they haven’t yet been eliminated from the SS race, though that’s only a 3-way tie-breaker technicality since they’d lose one the second tie-breaker in a 2-way scenario with LAG.) But having all those games in hand means that DCU doesn’t actually have a whole lot of points in the bank. Their PPG is right up there with NYR, HOU and POR, but they trail all those teams in PTS. If DCU doesn’t convert its games in hand into points, it will fall and fall fast. The question is whether DCU has the depth to convert those games into points. They may not. Don’t bother looking toward next weekend yet. This Wednesday features three games with DCU, NYR and POR. Little was decided this weekend, much may be decided on Wednesday. What else? If LAG continues on their current pace, they’d end the season at 68 PTS. To beat that sort of pace and claim the SS, RSL would have to win the rest of their games. Baring something crazy, the SS race is close to being effectively over.
Re: ... Burnt Tortilla Edition ... CHI would likely need around 2.50 PPG in their remaining games to become even barely playoff competitive.
FWIW, current tiebreaker status between the 4 teams projected to finish at 44 pts.: 1st tiebreaker: head-to-head DC: 2W (3-2 over POR, 1-0 over NY) - 1D (2-2 v HOU)- 2L (4-0 v NY, 4-1 v HOU) HOU: 2W (4-1 v DC, 2-1 v POR) - 3D (1-1 v NY, 2-2 v NY, 2-2 v DC) - 0L NY: 1W (4-0 v DC) - 3D (1-1 v HOU, 2-2 v HOU, 3-3 v POR) - 1L (1-0 v DC) POR: 0W - 1D (3-3 v NY) - 2L (3-2 v DC, 2-1 v HOU) So, a lot still in play, but at the moment HOU appears to have the first tiebreaker.
To add on to that, Dallas might end up better after this "slump" they are in. Better to go into the "play in round" then get slotted in the East then try to play through the West imo. Not to mention they would get 2 home playoff games aswell. (assuming they won)
Seems to me that the three best teams in the league are undeniably Seattle, RSL and the Galaxy. It's a shame that under the current playoff format it is basically impossible for two of these teams to meet in MLS Cup final is it not? I really wish they just seeded teams #1-10 and matched teams up regardless of conference. Especially with the balanced schedule we currently enjoy.
Regardless of how much I agree, this probably isn't the place to debate restructuring the playoff format.
I thought this thread was about playoff seeding and positioning and clinching various spots and ultimately play off match ups? My bad...
It is. But then you took that discussion in a different direction, as you're well aware and apparently trying to pretend you didn't. This thread is all about the numbers, the what is possible with the current rules, the "what is." You took it to the "what could be," the "this doesn't work, let's change it up!," which is more of a "You're the Don" forum-type of discussion that personally I don't think needs to clutter up this thread. But maybe Knave will disagree, this is his baby.
Well, although I think RapidStorm is right about this thread, I also think a bit of kvetching about the current rules is inevitable. (Just wait for my annual rant about the tie-breaking procedures! That's always awesome.) That said, the best way to deal with those flights away from what this thread is really supposed to be about, which is the on the ground realities of the table under the current rules, is just to move on from them. So moving on ... --- Thinking about it now, I gave NYR and POR short shrift above. Let me mention a couple things about their situation. Despite their wins over the weekend, both of these teams remain in really precarious positions. NYR hosts RSL on Wednesday. If they lose, which is not out of the realm of realistic results, their prospects start to looking horrible. If they win, things look great. Right now I'm saying they need about 1.50 PPG in their remaining games to stay playoff competitive. A loss to RSL would mean they'd need about 1.80 PPG in their final 4 games. 2W-1D-1L gets you close to that, but to pass that bar you'd need 2W-2D-0L. If NYR beats RSL, they start to look really good, requiring only about 1.20 PPG in this final 4 games to stay playoff competitive (which would be less than their season PPG average thus far). That's about 1W-2D-1L. The numbers are exactly the same for POR, but POR is hosting SJE -- a big, big advantage for POR. A draw for either team would wound both teams, but probably not fatally. So bottom line on Wednesday for both POR and NYR: Win: HD# drops from 1.50 PPG to 1.20 PPG Lose: HD# rises from 1.50 PPG to 1.80 PPG Draw: HD# rises from 1.50 PPG to 1.60 PPG