Thank you Mr Elliot and Mr. Wagner

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  1. Viking64

    Viking64 Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Tarheel State
    Please make this a sticky.

    As a fan of the Dallas Burn since the day they were announced, thank you for taking the Burn back to the Cotton Bowl.

    For me, that is enough said, except for

  2. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    My faith is restored in full.
  3. BulaJacket

    BulaJacket Member

    Columbus Crew (hometown), Minnesota United (close ties), Colorado Rapids (now home), Jacksonville Armada (ties)
    United States
    May 9, 2003
    Ashtabula, OH / Denver, CO / MN / Jax
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Amazing decision from Wagner, Elliot, Swift, etc....

    Thank you all for realizing the mistake and correcting it.

    That takes some guts and I respect this organization that much more.
  4. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002

    I believe that was my first word posted on BS when the move to Dragon Stadium was announced, and now it's the first since I've known of the move back to the CB.


    God, I hope this means that ROB will be more inclined to stay.

    Mr. Elliot has officially whitewashed my brain on the new coach issues (especially if Ronnie stays).

    I also hold out hope that ALL the fan clubs that graced the CB before Southlake came about - will be back in full force, come 2004.

    So, with the obvious addition of my thanks to Mr. Elliot and Mr. Wagner, I'd like to add official props to Jonno and Chamo for their leadership within the Inferno organization. And I'd also like to add unofficial thanks to El Jefe for the initiation of the game countdown sticky at Dragon Stadium.

    Now, to change my sig... :D
  5. Chamo

    Chamo New Member

    Aug 9, 1999
    I also want to thank Dan Hunt, John Wagner and Greg Elliot for having the "cojones" to rectify the mistake made by moving the team to Southlake last season.

    This move makes me much more optimistic about the new stadium in Frisco. They now seem to understand that they need to listen to "us" the fans if they want us to buy their product.

    Thanks for listening and taking action.
  6. VivaIslamico

    VivaIslamico Member

    Nov 1, 2000
    Austin, TX
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I'll thank them by giving them a little of my money which I wasn't planning to give them otherwise.
  7. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Devil's Advocate.

    If the Library/DallasCup crowd had not blown
    off SuckLack, we would still be there.

    Wagner wants us loud, he wants us
    involved, but if we, The Zealots, were
    truly a variable in the MacroEconomic
    equations, machinations, and calculations
    of Lamar, Clark, Daniel and John, the move
    would have never happened in the first place.

    HSG appears to be sincere about taking
    care of us in Frisco, and for THAT we should
    all up the level and rancor giving thanks and
    praising that consideration.

    But again, I *GUARANTEE* you that if they
    hadn't lost the Library revenue, and if the
    Corporate Sponsor packages (those 3000
    ghost attendees that facilitated the 40%
    inflation in claimed attendance) had NOT
    blown off Sucklack, then the return to the
    CottonPitch would have NEVER HAPPENED.

    It is convenient for HSG and Elliott to talk
    about the move in terms of listening to the
    fans and our desires, but the loudest voice
    was their year-end revenue balance on the
    pro-forma. And the lack of returned calls
    from the Corporate Sponsors refusing to
    do business in Sucklack. Large blocks
    of missing revenue that are completely
    unrelated to the opinions of the fans
    themselves, especially the 10% of the
    fanbase represented by US; no, those large
    blocks of revenue were the reason for
    the return. There was basically no PR
    pressure for the return in the mainstream
    press. Steve Davis wrote 2 nice articles
    damning Sucklack, at the END of the season.
    Said articles shocklingly seeming to have
    been lifted almost word for word from stuff
    we wrote and read in February. Imagine that.

    Other than those 2 articles, there was no
    TV about how bad Sucklack sucked. Our
    squealing and misery would have never
    overturned the decision, and we should be
    careful about deriving a false sense of
    satisfaction if we choose to believe
    "we really had large effect on the decision
    to return." We had some effect.
    But not enough to turn the tide.

    I again want to recount the conversation
    with Garber and Fitz-gerald (why does he
    hyphenate it anyway?) in the ISD chambers
    after the final vote on the Chasm deal....

    I told Garber point-blank that if they didn't
    make it LOOK like a Soccer Stadium they
    would KILL the attendance. I told him
    point blank that the lack of any consideration
    regarding Pitch Integrity in the CISD/HSG
    operating agreement was a travesty.
    Garber's response was that Wagner had
    been too busy getting the Frisco deal done
    to deal with that issue (read: didn't care to,
    or didn't think it would matter), and now that
    Frisco was done, Wagner's next move would
    be "dealing with the Field Turf and Line Markings
    issue". I volunteered an effort to raise $25k
    to paint the lines. I begged and pleaded to
    AT LEAST remove the endzones if we couldn't
    remove the whole field. We all know what
    didn't happen. What was never going to
    happen. Rigid Panda Abortion integrity
    was viewed as a non-factor by HSG, and
    an inalienable right by the yokel AD and
    their CISD paymasters. BAD miscalculation.

    The construction of the T's & C's in the
    CISD agreement were atrociously amateur.
    Highly unprofessional. NOT Major League
    by any stretch of the imagination. I tore
    through it and found the holes in 20 minutes
    within 3 hours of it's annoucement.

    I could have created the proper protections
    in less than an hour. People in Columbus
    and KC might not be surprised, but I was
    shocked at the Amateur level of execution
    in this agreement on the part of HSG.

    Being tied up with Frisco will never suffice
    as an excuse in my mind for the travesty
    that was the Sucklack decision, especially
    on paper. The CISD should have never been
    allowed to run the show, nor should have
    the amateur decision to move without
    adequate protection been made in lieu
    of the easily constructed and necessary
    language that any self-respecting Professional
    Sports Executive would have *#*#*#*# for breakfast.

    A decision to place a Major League franchise
    in a High-School venue as a 2nd class tenant
    was made without Professional Execution.
    Bottom line.

    One other thing....

    as many have already discussed,
    the current Horn-LandThieve shakedown
    of Laura is also interesting timing. Much
    will be deduced regarding the return to
    the Cotton Bowl when we discover what
    the lease terms are. It would be in HSG's
    best interest to leak the terms before an
    interpid individual decides to go the FOIA
    route to discover same.

  8. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Sporting Kansas City
    No chip on your shoulder. :rolleyes: :p
  9. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    Sep 16, 2000
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:

    I think you'll enjoy my money and the money of all the fans you won back.
  10. Chamo

    Chamo New Member

    Aug 9, 1999
    No argument here.
    Once again no argument here. What was amazing to me was that the Southlake savings were made using infantile projections that did not take into consideration 2004 or even 2003 past game one for that matter.

    Anytime a forecast is made the forecast must be adjusted with actuals as they occur if you have any intention of having an accurate forecast.

    You mentioned before that if it was not reported by BELO then HSG did not consider it news. I have to agree with you. The photo of sweeper33 in the DMN with the paper bag over his head and his sign pleading with HSG to paint the lines was very much on the mind of Wagner when the Inferno met with HSG earlier this year.

    You weren't the only one that warned Garber and the HSG brass about the Southlake "mistake" that night.
  11. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    I never said I was the only one.

    But I'm sure I had the most arrogant
    tone and tenor.... ;)

  12. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    I haven't received an ECG in months.

    I thought my subscription dollars equalled
    an issue every month!


  13. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Sporting Kansas City
    I'm working on ECG#23 right now. It'd go faster if I received a publishable rant/column *hint*.

    And, yes, I can count. ECG#22 has been delayed and will be out shortly.

    We publish 7 issues per year, and as per tradition our December issue (ECG#24) will be published some time in January or February.
  14. Alex Sanz

    Alex Sanz New Member

    Apr 6, 2000
    I wouldn't thank Wagner. I would thank the fans who voted with their pocket book. Those are the ones that got us the Cotton Bowl back for one more year. Don't think for a second that financials weren't the main instigator in going back.

    Also, thank you players for being outspoken, thank you fan clubs for fighting the cause, thank you Swift for making a statement, and of course, thank you Elliott for continuing the fight.

    I would thank Wagner for one year of misery.

    Either way, we got it back baby!
  15. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Sep 24, 2002
    Arsenal FC
    *a bunch of colorful midgits running around*

    Ding dong, the wicked witch is dead.
  16. inferno man

    inferno man Member

    Nov 26, 1999
    I'm going to thank them by buying 20 extra tickets (along with my regular season tics) to give out this year.

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