TD/Manager hotstove

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by chiladd, Nov 24, 2019.

  1. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I may or may not be the guy, formerly Chicago Fire fan.
     
  2. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    One expensive banana.
     
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  3. TyrusRose

    TyrusRose Member+

    chicago fire
    North Korea
    Jun 17, 2019
    True. We'll see what happens
     
  4. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    We'll tape a potato to the wall instead.
     
  5. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Bringing back Yallop and letting him run the whole show?

    An actual taped potato would be just about as effective as Frank Yallop and less offensive than Dave Greeley was.
     
  6. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Hiring a European TD seems like a bad idea, but within that bad idea hiring a guy who's been central to FC Basel's player recruitment and development efforts seems like about as good as we could have hoped for.

    Basel does what an MLS club ought to want to do. Unearth talent from lots of different sources, develop it well, sell it for a profit and win win win all the while.

    It's just that MLS is wildly different administratively.
     
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  7. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Ernest Tanner in Philly has been the model that everyone in MLS is trying to clone lately. Considering their success after canning a front office disaster in Nick Sakiweicz and a cheap ownership group, it's not the worst model to emulate.
     
  8. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Those world beaters in Philly?
    Winners of 0 MLS Cups
    0 Supporters Shields (only MLS Top 10 finishes)
    0 US Open Cups
    Historical record:
    Failed to make Playoffs-5
    "Made" the Knockout-2
    Actually made the Playoffs-2

    I guess that is still an improvement over the Fire.
     
  9. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Tanner's only been around a few years and they went from hot garbage to only three points behind Atlanta this season despite spending next to nothing on their roster. Their scouting and youth player integration has been phenomenal. Sadly for them, their owner is a cheapass who will never go after any DPs of significance.

    Their FO has been able to spot cheap diamond in the rough players, which is what you need in MLS, even in in the DP/TAM era. Our FO is paying Marcelo 800k a year for some reason.
     
  10. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    ...like I said, still better than the Fire.


    Yes, that is weird.
     
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  11. lncolnpk

    lncolnpk Member+

    Mar 5, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just remember the PSG academy guy was suppose to turn the DA into a powerhouse and churn out players.
     
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  12. chiladd

    chiladd Member+

    Mar 21, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Heitz is an interesting prospect. He's been shaking up swiss soccer the last couple years consulting. He would be walking away from good money and a prestigious rep in Switzerland to come here.

    He would only be coming here if he was being allowed to fundamentally change how the Chicago Fire are operated as soccer club.

    I'm not saying he would be a success or failure. But if he accepts the job there are big changes on the horizon.
     
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  13. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Just Switzerland?

    Amateur!

    Nelson 'Shady' Rodriguez "shook up the f*cking soccer world, boys!" less than four years ago.
     
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  14. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Quit yer bitchin'!!!

    Hey, we have TWO, count 'em, TWO Sloninas on the Fire roster, both Home Grown Players.

    No other MLS team has even a single Slonina.

    Through out "powerhouse" DA, the Fire have "churned out" Slonina at a blistering pace.

    We have cornered the market on Slonina!
     
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  15. And both of them movimi po Polsku.
     
  16. kaiser10

    kaiser10 New Member

    Chicago Fire
    Germany
    Jul 25, 2019
    Heitz at Basel have budget over US$100mil/year and over US$6mil/year for youth Academy. FC Basel can buy whoever they want and need. At same point Basel have 2 teams competing one in Swiss Super League and one in Champions League. He can be surprise that you can't scout or buy young players from other MLS teams territory or dealing with rules of players discovery etc. That's huge obstacle for this guys from Europe to adjust to MLS rules, budgets and understanding of hurdles you come across. Let's see...
     
  17. wesleyaltenburg

    wesleyaltenburg New Member

    Nov 30, 2019
    MLS is 100% a different animal. That being said, Heitz’s biggest signing at Basel was Alexander Frei (cousin of Stefan Frei) from Dortmund for $4.85M, although that was long before transfer fees boomed. Some recent signings of his:

    Mohammed Elyounoussi for $3.6M
    Mo Salah for $2.85M
    Marek Suchy for $2.85M
    Eder Balanta (Football Manager legend) for $4M
    Jean-Paul Boetius for $2.3M
    Derlis Gonzalez for $3.5M
    Tomas Vaclik for $2.3M
    Aleksandar Dragovic for $1.1M
    Mohamed Elneny for $730K

    There’s misses in there such as Andrez Sporar for $4.3M, but Heitz made some really signings on cheap fees.

    With Mansueto’s money, he should be able to have a field day with designated player signings at least.
     
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  18. kaiser10

    kaiser10 New Member

    Chicago Fire
    Germany
    Jul 25, 2019
    Great list of players but just Frei made more money than any MLS DP (except Beckham) that time. Mostly BVB Dortmund Klopp moneyball philosophy. No more than 5mil transfer fee. How are you going to squeeze all this great signings you mention in MLS Salary Cup or International spots. Can't have in MLS around 20 internationals signings like they did have at Basel. Cheap 3-4mil signings in Europe means DP's in MLS. Can't have a cookie and eat a cookie
     
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  19. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Do you want to discuss Heitz or the league structure?
     
  20. wesleyaltenburg

    wesleyaltenburg New Member

    Nov 30, 2019
    I did say at least with DPs, but fair points. I’m moreso just trying to say that he doesn’t need huge fees to good get players, but I’d love to see what he could do with scouting guys whose transfer fees would be $5M+. There’s 100% going to be growing pains with him or any possible TD from Europe, but he seems to be able to find value, and based on that I feel he has the potential to be able to find really good players for DP’s and good value TAM guys. Heck, Nelson got some pretty good TAM guys like Frankowski, Katai most of the time, Kap, hopefully Medran and this guy definitely is not worse than Nelson, Nelson would get Basel relegated.
     
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  21. TyrusRose

    TyrusRose Member+

    chicago fire
    North Korea
    Jun 17, 2019
    My concern would be that he potentially does not have a feel for the South American/Latin American scene, which is where MLS is gaining momentum. Convincing young Europeans to take the next step in MLS is going to be so difficult.
     
  22. wesleyaltenburg

    wesleyaltenburg New Member

    Nov 30, 2019
    Ms
    Maybe Basel's scouting setup is more the reason for this, but his signings seem to be from a lot of various places, meaning maybe he's got a decent idea of a lot of places but not one that he knows incredibly well.
     
  23. TyrusRose

    TyrusRose Member+

    chicago fire
    North Korea
    Jun 17, 2019
    I certainly like the prospect of this hire more than someone like Brian McBride. Still, should have accepted Lagerwey's request. Sigh..
     
  24. wesleyaltenburg

    wesleyaltenburg New Member

    Nov 30, 2019
    Agreed on both of those things
     
  25. der sting

    der sting Member

    Oct 1, 2014
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    TD/Coach process live feed

     
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