I'm a spurs fan ( San Antonio) so Wes going there is interesting. Not a fan of Antonio conte though lol
Def. agree, if Wes has a great tournament...Juve can get 2-3x their investment if Wes wants to leave. Agree about Wes still needing a lot of refinement, but still such a great player right now. The fact that Aaronson went for 30m after a couple of decent seasons in Austria and the numbers being thrown around for Wes is only 5m more? No way that is true. I will admit that I am a bit biased with BA, I just don't see the value there.
Wes plays well for Tottenham, and he still will be a target for every top club in the world until early 30s. So he is not losing anything in career advancement. He could easily still go after Tottenham to RM, Barcelona, Liverpool (although they usually buy low), Man City, BM- you name it. Wes just needs to be himself- play with that joy and arrogance- and Conti will love him and play him (as long as he follows Conti's instructions)
I loved Conte as a player, and as a coach also, but he won’t last long anywhere the way he is. He burns bright and then burns out, and on to the next one.
If he stayed 2 more seasons, which I think is entirely possible (he's older now and might not want to keep switching teams so much), then I think it is fine move for Wes. They might not battle for title, but they have a good shot again to snag 4th (or even 3rd) place this season- and that would guarantee CL for the following season. He's got Kane and Son in their prime. The pieces seem to be working now. My biggest worry is Lloris who is way long in the tooth, IMO, is off his best.
Wes just got to Juve. I hope he stays. Moving to Spurs, in large part due to Conte, seems like a mistake. Managers move around far too quickly. Highly likely Conte isn't there very long and then Wes could be stuck sitting on the bench as the 6-7 best team in England.
Possibly, but Spurs are unlikely to make the same kinds of mistakes that they made when Pocettino was sacked. If they don't, Wes'll be playing CL ball for the duration of his stay in North London.
I'm ok with Spurs, but I'm gonna be pretty sad if this happens this summer, as one of the spawn is moving to Florence and I'm looking at spending Oct/Nov on the nearby coast and watching a lot of footie... Ah well. Wes has no concerns for my life, clearly.
Unlike at Juve, the expectation at Spurs is not to challenge for the league every year and potentially win the Champions League. Qualifying for the CL is enough. It’s not a better environment for an ambitious player.
We just don’t know. If Tottenham start the first half of the season hot, they can be in the mix. Man City and Liverpool could have injuries and in the case of Liverpool- Mane is out the door and who know if Salah’s mind starts to wonder this season. Tottenham could wind up being the team that no one expects to compete- but actually does.
Basically a lot of things have to go wrong for Citeh and Pool and a lot lot things have to go right for Spurs. IOW’s in an average year, even a year where things just go a bit better for Spurs and worse for the other two, it’s a race for third and fourth. Let’s not kid ourselves, the gap between those two and the others is that large.
I’m talking about the sustainable ambitions of Juve vs Spurs. Yeah, Spurs can have a great year from time to time. Juve is expected to be great every year. Different worlds, in my opinion.
Tottenham finished 2nd a few years back. They are spending money now. Kane looks better than for quite a while. Their record since Conti joined was 3rd best in Prem. Would you also say Chelsea has ‘no shot’? I wouldn’t. Conti goes to Milan and they win. The guy is a winner. They need a healthy Kane and Son for 1 year. They need Lloris to play closer to his form in his prime- these are no givens but not impossible either. Pep and Klopp have set such an amazing standard, I would not be surprised to see them lose a bit more this year. Yes, those 2 are the favorite but not unbeatable. I see Chelsea as more vulnerable than Tottenham this year. Between Tuchel wearing out his welcome and teams figuring Chelsea out now- he’s got a tougher challenge than Conti in my book. But I recognize I’m likely I’m the minority on that.
Next season could be really tight. Liverpool, ManCity again at the top. Chelsea somewhere near, assuming Chilwell is healthy and they acquire two decent centerbacks. Spurs vying for Chelsea's spot, assuming Spurs can improve against the best teams. With one or two proper replacements to bring additional stability to the side, Arsenal might also stir the pot if it can defeat the top teams with greater reliability. The same goes for ManU, which I expect to be more like its former self under a new manager and the fact that things can really only get better on the motivation side of the game. Also, remember this fact: despite being astonishingly abysmal, ManU still finished 6th, thanks to the even greater failures by other clubs. With possibly 6 teams having decent chances to knock each other off, there could be lots more excitement week-to-week and a topsy turvy end of the PL season.
Man U's lineup will have more changes than Chelsea. I have heard that they expect 8+ transfers in this window.
And being great in Italy isn't enough either. They have to be great in Europe, as in winning the CL. If Spurs draw a "group of death" in the CL and are relegated to the EL but go on to win the damn thing, that'll be regarded as an excellent season by everyone there. Juve? The coach'll be told "must do better".
On the other hand it's a chance to play in the best league in the world, for a team that over the last ten years has been in the Champions League about half the time. Tottenham's even been in the final more recently that Juventus. I'd argue Tottenham has a better squad than Juventus at current as well. And personally having spent time in both, I'd much rather live in London than Turin.
Man, I hope Tottenham doesn't do their typical thing....and wait until the very last minute to bring him in (just to save a few pennies), which means that that Wes misses the pre-season and maybe even the first couple games. Tottenham do this over and over and over...must be infuriating for a coach and I know Conti would hate it. It unsettles the player and means that he has to get up to speed with tactics and getting used to his teammates during the Prem season, which is far from ideal. Everyone in England still talks about how Dempsey was just 'ok' at his season at Tottenham, without recognizing how Tottenham bought him after the season had started and while Fulham had frozen Clint out of training. So Clint had a double whammy of not getting full training before joining Tottenham (and little game time) and then having to adjust to teammates on the fly. Throw in the fact that Bale was a monster (both good/bad that season)- incredible performance, but had to be very, very frustrating to play with...Clint would be wide open and the better option many times, but Bale would keep the ball and try to dribble through 3 guys in tight spaces. But he did it enough of the time, that no coach would possibly hold Bale back. So his teammates (like Clint) had to play for a lot of scraps. Conti's system is intense. Players don't usually get it at the first go. I really, really, REALLY hope Tottenham buy Wes early in summer and let him get adjusted to live in London, get moved, and get plenty of pre-season time with Conti. I'll be pissed if he is put at the same disadvantage as Clint.
Are folks so sure the interest is real and that Wes would be a starter at Spurs? It's certainly a risk to take prior to the World Cup
They wouldn't pay 40+ Euro for him if the idea is for him to sit on bench. He'd be given every chance to be the starter. If Juve sign Pogba, it will push Wes out of central midfield, IMO. He'll have to find his position on outside.