Simple question please, Review or No Review?

Discussion in 'World Cup 2010: Refereeing' started by fire123, Jun 28, 2010.

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Do you want electronic review of controversial plays or not?

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  1. Falc

    Falc Member+

    Jul 29, 2006
    Maryland
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Goal or no goal is easy to review if the goal is given. There is a natural stoppage of play. But what if the goal is not given and the defending side starts a counter attack? Do you stop the play when there is an opportunity to score? What if the other side does put it in the net? Do you annul one goal for the other?

    Video review is not certain either. Take the Quagliarella shot against Slovakia. Can't tell anything from that camera angle and not so certain if it would have been helpful on the other end.

    On the offside calls, the biggest problem is the current interpretation of offside. When the slightest part of the body can be the determining factor, it makes it too close to call. I think we should go back to the old interpretation, that there needs to be light between the two bodies. Even that creates close calls but I think less controversies than what is done now.
     
  2. PVancouver

    PVancouver Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    I disagree, because you can see the back of the knee of the defender. If you approximate the width of his knee and the width of the ball, I think it is pretty clear that the ball did not completely cross the line.

    I won't disagree that video won't always be conclusive. But if there is no proof on video, how upset do you think people will be? People are reasonably much more upset when the missed calls are obvious, as in the England goal and Tevez "goal" cases.

    If a goal were awarded to Quagliarella only because of electronic ball technology, how much faith would the public be able to put into the conclusion, without any supporting video evidence?
     
  3. Falc

    Falc Member+

    Jul 29, 2006
    Maryland
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I am not sold on electronic balls either. I think the Quagliarella call was the correct one, just that there was nothing from the video to make it conclusive. And if you occasionally watch an NFL game, that inconclusive call makes things frustrating as well. The Tevez offside was not so obvious. Sure, slow down the video, focus on Tevez, different story. In actual speed, no. The Lampard goal, you would think that someone was watching the ball. Obviously a goal line AR would have helped. I think it would have been helpful in the Tevez call. And that is the easiest solution. Does anyone know how the system worked out for the Europa League?
     
  4. CanadaFTW

    CanadaFTW Member

    Jun 21, 2007
    All of these scenarios have occured in the NHL. If a goal is scored but play continues, at the next stoppage the goal is awarded and time brought back to the time of the goal (so extra stoppage time in this case). If the other team scores as play continues, that goal doesn't count. I would think that this would be the basis for using review for football.
     
  5. PVancouver

    PVancouver Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    Which is reasonable. If it was a goal, there would be no "counter-attack".

    If the defense is aware that a goal was clearly scored, they might as well kick it out of play similar to an opponent's injury and take their medicine, as the play will likely be reviewed anyway.
     
  6. HowardF64

    HowardF64 New Member

    Jul 7, 2009
    But goals in soccer are much more rare than in the NHL. It's easier to pull a hockey goal off the board because it is likelier that another goal will be scored.
     
  7. CanadaFTW

    CanadaFTW Member

    Jun 21, 2007
    A typical NHL match has roughly double the number of goals scored than a soccer match. So while more likely, it isn't that far off. I'd also say it is much more likely to occur in hockey as counterattacks are even more common.

    As an alternative, if their is a replay official, you could have him earpiece to the referee and have him stop play to play.
     
  8. Falc

    Falc Member+

    Jul 29, 2006
    Maryland
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    And all of this stoppage will make the game better? Has officiating in the NFL improved because of video review? I think it has made them worse. The truth is that refereeing has been made much too complicated than it has to be. We have gone overboard with technicality, stupid memos for every bad call, too many people up top trying to tell referees how to do their job. Need to keep things simple. The game has become faster, the players more athletic. We don't see referees at this level with beer guts as in the past. Yet, some of those beer guts did an excellent job.
     
  9. refontherun

    refontherun Member+

    Jul 14, 2005
    Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, you want it to be like American football then?
     
  10. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Seriously lets take soccer and go to Canada...I'm sick of these fans trying to hijack it and make it their own.
     
  11. CanadaFTW

    CanadaFTW Member

    Jun 21, 2007
    If you leave it to goal/no goal I believe it will make it better. That is all that the NHL uses replay for, and the game is better for it. It is one thing to mess up a call on a foul or a throwin, but goal/no goal decisions get everyone up in arms. Getting those decisions correct is critical. Not only that, but these stoppages are rare, and I can only think of 2 incidents that would need replay for goal/no goal (the England "goal" and the Slovakian clear off the line). If you have an off field official doing the review, the delay in both cases would be non-existent.
     
  12. GreasyKnoll

    GreasyKnoll New Member

    May 31, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I would add that the 4th official (or perhaps a 5th) be able to review the instant replay seen by the television audience, and in the case of an obvious dive or fake injury (e.g., holding hands over face when it is obvious no contact with face was made), that official can signal the referee to give a yellow card at the next stoppage of play.

    It is sickening to see the fake drama out there.
     
  13. collythewolly

    collythewolly New Member

    Jun 30, 2014
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Pull your head out of the sand and use the technology available.most other codes use it.red card the premadonas and the game will finally become something worth watching.
     

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