Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and fut

Discussion in 'Portugal' started by vilafria, Sep 4, 2006.

  1. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    Great discussion topic.:)
     
  2. Panther1903

    Panther1903 Member

    Aug 26, 2006
    Mississauga, Canada
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    All water under the bridge now:D
     
  3. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    No, would of been too much travel for some teams to only play 1-2 games (Braga hosted 3 games with only 1 repeat team) + they would of had to make a large stadium that would of ended up with a worse league attendence then what Leiria gets.
     
  4. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    Dam :)
     
  5. Força Sporting

    Sep 29, 2002
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Why even bring this up now? Last time I checked it was 2006 :confused: :eek:
     
  6. marcopaulo

    marcopaulo Member

    Nov 19, 2005
    Vancouver
    there are many reasons why it couldn't work. travel, stadium, accomodation for the thousands of extra tourists etc.. but i do think the national team should play friendlies in the acores and madeira more often. i was lucky to see to see the national team play mocambique in sao miguel in 1998 but the national team didn't return to the acores for another 7 years until a friendly against egypt.
     
  7. Aveirenses

    Aveirenses Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Guardiolunya
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    What would really be a good argument would be if we should have constructed a new national stadium as opposed to building the one in Leiria, which doesn't even fill against the big three...
     
  8. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Does Leira even have a big enough population to fill thier stadium?
     
  9. Benfica4Life

    Benfica4Life Member

    Feb 16, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I say Yes, the Azores is bangin!!! Yeah the stadiums arent as big, but its part of Portugal and shouldnt be ignored.
     
  10. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    It would be a wonderful move. A giant beautiful stadium somewhere on the moutain top overlooking the city and the ocean. But realistically, financially it couldn't support it. People are really dying to live on the Islands either, and unless people start to procreate at an unusualy larger amount, they wouldn't and should have a large, new stadium.

    Yes it is part of Portugal, and I hope it stays that way forever, but realistically...until it becomes more populus, I don't believe they should have been, or should be in the futur part of any large touraments.
     
  11. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    Actually it is more populated now then ever before. I read it has the highest population per capita in the EU.
     
  12. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    Don't you mean per sqKm ?
     
  13. Força Sporting

    Sep 29, 2002
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I also would be more supportive of a new National Stadium, though I don't think it would have been fair for Lisbon to get yet another new stadium, nor would it be fair for Belenenses' and Setúbal not to either get government assistance for renovations on their stadiums or new stadiums altogether.

    Also, there desperately needs to be a competitive team in Algarve to ensure that the white elephant there gets some usage. It was a horrible idea to build a stadium there that isn't home to a top tier club...
     
  14. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    Estadio do Algarve could easily be renamed Estadio Nacional.:)
     
  15. Aveirenses

    Aveirenses Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Guardiolunya
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    The Estadio Nacional would have to be bigger though.

    30,000 simply isn't enough.
     
  16. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    Do you really think 30k isn't enough on most Taca de Portugal finals ?
    I don't know about that; short of a match between the 3 grandes, not too many finals, I believe, surpass the 30 K mark.
     
  17. Panther1903

    Panther1903 Member

    Aug 26, 2006
    Mississauga, Canada
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    "Top tier" clubs in Portugal are only 3.

    As published in Portuguese media, only 4 clubs in 2005-06 drew an average of over 10,000 fans per game :


    Média de assistências aos jogos 2005/06

    FC Porto __________44,000
    Bnfica ____________37,890
    Sporting __________35,781
    ................................... ....
    Guimarães_________15,974
    Académica _________9,272
    Braga _____________8,374
    Boavista ___________6,050
    Marítimo ___________5,197
    Belenenses ________3,982
    U. Leiria ___________3,230
    Rio Ave ____________2,912
    Setubal ____________2,227
    Gil Vicente _________2,127
     
  18. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I agree. I wish Faro had a larger population and a bigger team. Would be great.
     
  19. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    You also want the Azores to have more population. You wouldn't last long in China. :)
     
  20. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    Probably:eek:
     
  21. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    Anything Portugal I want to have a higher population. More people = more everything, more women, more futebol, more money, more respect...etc..etc..etc.
     
  22. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    Re: Should the Azores and Madeira have been part of the hosting stadiums for Eu04 and

    Remember what Confuscius said : More hair more work. Bigger hill bigger (longer) hike.

    p.s. I think he also was the first to quote : Size don't matter, it's how you use it.
     
  23. Tavares

    Tavares Member

    Jun 18, 2005
    Montreal/Toronto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    More people on the Azores wouldn't be such a great thing, unless some volcanoes can create some more land. (they've done so in the past, kind of a scary thought)

    I would've liked for Euro 2004 to have been truly present in all regions but for all the reasons already stated it just wasn't feasible. Just out of curiousity are there any games scheduled for the Azores in the coming months (u21 included) or will they have to wait a little longer to enjoy a national game again.
     
  24. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Surprised Braga didn't get over 10 000. They have a beautiful stadium, they had a good team, and they have a relatively large population...with regards to Portugal.
     
  25. |--LdC--|

    |--LdC--| New Member

    Nov 16, 2003
    Lisboa/Portugal
    We shouldn´t have built 10 stadiums, 6 would be enough, Porto, Benfica, Sporting, Braga, Vit. Guimaraes and Boavista the top 6 clubs in Portugal.
    The pressure from the other cities led to the current situation an Algarve stadium without use, Leiria always empty, Beira Mar a little better than Leiria but still a waste of money, only Coimbra atracted good crowds, even 30 000 for Boavista is to much.
    So no need for new stadiums in Azores or Madeira, one could make the case for a new Madeira stadium, because of Maritimo and Nacional at least they would get better crowds than Leiria.

    Anyway apart from Benfica, Porto, and Sporting no team in Portugal will ever draw more than 20 000 a game, so the Euro 2004 stadiums should had removable stands, 30 000 for the tournament and 20 000 for the league or something like that.
    The atmosphere created by 16 000 Vitória fans in a 20 000 stadium would be great instead of a 30 000, the same goes for 10 000 Braga Boavista and Academica fans in a 20 000 stadium.

    Teams like Beira Mar, Leiria and other medium/lower teams should had followed the example of Gil Vicente a 12 000 stadium, good looking stadium, pretty functional and adequate to their needs.
    Apart from the ocasional 20 000 against one of the big 3 the best they can get and can aspire is 5000/6000, max 8000 a game... considering the dimension of the cities, history and future.
     

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