Semi-Official 2017 San Jose Earthquakes Roster Thread

Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by Seismothusiast, Nov 25, 2016.

  1. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because the whole point of MLS was to develop American players.

    Look at the EPL. Best league in the world, but England underperforms because the country's own players can't play in their own top league.

    But as MLS gets better, we turn into a development league for African, Central and South American countries, because those players are better and usually cheaper than American players, who aren't willing to live on $35k if they have a college degree. They have other options, but players coming from under-developed countries have no other options.

    It just burns me that American players have to go play in European 2nd and 3rd divisions to get playing time cuz they cant get it in MLS and with a reasonable salary
     
  2. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    No, Donovan is a native Canadian.

    "Donovan was born (along with twin sister Tristan) on March 4, 1982 in Ontario, California to Donna Kenney-Cash, a special education teacher, and Tim Donovan, a semi-professional ice hockey player originally from Canada, which makes Donovan a Canadian citizen by descent."
     
  3. asdf2

    asdf2 Member+

    Oct 11, 2004
    San Francisco
    Yes I meant DeRo, not Donovan's dad FFS.
     
  4. asdf2

    asdf2 Member+

    Oct 11, 2004
    San Francisco
    Save it.

    You know damn well that's what I meant.

    Be open to good players from anywhere.
     
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  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Save it? Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean s***.

    Of course, but that is a completely meaningless statement.

    All teams, but particularly the Quakes, have limited time and resources. They can't just scout every player in the world, in every league in the world... there are opportunity costs. If anyone should know that it's Quakes fans, our front office went to Europe in the 2015-16 offseason to scout potential DPs and came back with... Simon Dawkins, who they already knew and who wasn't doing jack in the English second division.

    If Jesse F thinks this team needs to bring in, say, a central attacking midfielder as a DP over the summer, should he "be open to good players from anywhere" and send Quakes scouts to watch the Trinidadian league? Would that be a good allocation of resources?
     
  6. vjle

    vjle Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Not to quibble, but I'd argue that La Liga is the best league in the world--and the Spanish national team seems to do ok. La Liga also has more domestic players than any other major European league. Clearly, Spain does something right in developing players that England does not do. So maybe having so many Brits involved with our soccer at all levels isn't the best approach for developing U.S. players.
     
  7. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
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  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "In a bid to bolster their meager attack, the San Jose Earthquakes have set their sights on FC Krasnodar attacking midfielder Mauricio Pereyra, according to multiple league sources."

    I like that we're going after an attacking midfielder who is South American (Uruguay, played for Lanus in Argentina) and in his prime (27)...

    One question: DP or TAM?
    If this is our big DP signing, that would be disappointing... are we still pursuing Salomon Kalou?

    More info on Pereyra:
    Wikipedia
    Transfermarkt
     
  9. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, I'm not sure if he's even as good as Hyka. About the same size. Just don't see it moving the needle. More of the same kind of player that we already have.
     
  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pereyra is listed as 5'7". That's the same height as Mauro Diaz. Of course Kinnear would probably play Alashe over Diaz...
     
  11. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    If he would play a 5'7" player in the middle then he could have with our current "#10" or with MPG. So it is doubtful.
     
  12. Seismothusiast

    Seismothusiast Member+

    Jul 14, 2006
    Modesto
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Thanks for raising the game off the pitch Dave, and welcome to our new president Tom Fox.
    ____________________
    Salary Budget Roster
    1. David Bingham, #1 (GK) {10/19/89} [$197.8K]
    2. Victor Bernardez # 5 (D) (Honduras, Green Card) {5/24/82} [$266.6K]
    3. Shaun Francis # 20 (D) (Jamaica, Green Card) {10/2/86} [$123.3K]
    4. Andres Imperiale # 32 (D) (Argentina, INT) {7/8/86} [$107.5K]
    5. Harold Cummings # 31 (D) (Panama, INT) {3/1/92} [$300.7K]
    6. Marvell Wynne # 4 (D) {5/8/86} [$257.1K]
    7. Kofie Sarkodie # 2 (D) {3/22/91} [$140K]
    8. Cordell Cato #7 (D/M) (T & T, Green Card Holder) {7/15/92} [$138.7K]
    9. Florian Jungwirth, #23 (D/M) (Germany, INT) {1/27/89} [$516.7K]
    10. Fatai Alashe #27 (M) {10/21/93} [$114.4K]
    11. Anibal Godoy #30 (M) (Panama, INT}{2/10/90} [$256.2K]
    12. Darwin Ceren # 17 (M) (El Salvador, Green Card?) {12/31/89} [$249.4K]
    13. Shea Salinas #6 (M) {6/24/86} [$185K*]
    14. Jamir Hyka #10 (M) (Albania, INT) {3/8/88} [$520K]
    15. Simon Dawkins #49 (M/F) {12/1/87} (Jamaica, INT) [$800K]
    16. Marcos Urena #21 (M) (Costa Rica, INT) {3/5/90} [$289.4K]
    17. Chris Wondolowski #8 (F) {1/28/83} [$800?*]
    18. Quincy Amarikwa # 25 (F) {10/29/87}[$270.2k]
    19. Danny Hoesen #9 (F) (Netherlands, INT) {1/15/91} [$503.1K]
    20. [Empty]

    * Indicates a known guaranteed contract.​

    Supplemental Roster (Off-Budget-min $65K)
    21. Andrew Tarbell (G) #28 {10/7/93} [Generation Adidas - $94]
    22. Marc Pelosi # 33 (M) {6/17/94) [75K]
    23. Matheus Silva (F) #38 (Brazil, INT) {12/6/96} [$65K]
    24. Jackson Yueill (M) #14 {3/19/97} [Generation Adidas - $176]
    Reserve Roster (Off-Budget-in $50K, under 25)
    25. Kip Colvey # 18 (D) {3/15/94} [$54.1K]
    26. Matt Bersano # 35 (G) {9/10/92} [$65]
    27. Lindo Mfeka #?? (M/F) (South Africa, Green Card?) {3/30/94} [$53]
    28. [Empty]
    Homegrown Players (Additional Reserves Slots)
    29. Tommy Tompson (M/F) #22 {8/15/95} [$155K - Homegrown Player]
    30. Nick Lima (D) #24 {11/17/94} [$86.2-Homegrown Player]​

    Players On Loan

    Leandro Barrera (M) (Argentine) {2/22/91} [$100K]

    CURRENT SALARY TOTAL for 2016 is was approximately $6,036,100, with is a $3,845,000. Note: Some player's salaries were likely bought down this year with allocation money, and this cost is not represented in the figure above. The 2017 figures above were used to calculate our cap, rounding up to the nearest thousand from the union's released salaries from April 2017. Part of Wondo's salary (TAM) has been bough down and he has since signed a new multi-year contract in 2016. Urena's, Hyka, Jungwirth & Hoesen signing also used TAM in 2017.

    Allocations, Slots, Rights, & Trades
    Allocations
    ***We received allocation money for missing the playoffs.***

    Trades, waivers, losses
    ---* STEWART waived- 12/15/16
    ---* MEREDITH, GOODSON, BARRETT, GOITOM, INNOCENT, LENHARDT, & SHERROD released, PELOSI
    & THOMPSON released with the intent to renegotiate - 12/2/16
    ---* PEREZ GARCIA to Orlando for Ceren and cap relief - 8/3/16
    ---* JAHN to Columbus for Targeted Allocation Money - 7/20/16
    ---* SARKODIE from Hou for Targeted allocation Money - 4/1/16
    ---* KOVAL waived - 2/27/16
    ---* Targeted allocation money and an INT slot to Rapids for general allocation money - 2/25/16.

    Slots
    ---* DP's - Simon Dawkins occupies a DP slot, so two slots are open. Wondolowski's salary has been bought down with targeted allocation money.
    ---* We currently have no open INT slots. We have eight slots, and all eight of those slots are occupied (Godoy, Dawkins, Imperiale, Cummings, Urena, Hyka, Hoesen & Jungwirth=INT).

    Rights
    ---* 3rd on the allocation list.
    ---* All of our 2018 Superdraft picks.
    ---* All of our 2018 Waiver Draft and Re-Entry Draft picks.
    ---* Lottery eligible for the 2017 season.
    ---* We hold Olmes Garcia's MLS rights.
    ---* Still hold Yannick Djalo's MLS rights.
    ---* Still hold Jaime Alas' MLS rights.
    ---* We hold the right to Bryan Jordan, acquired in the re-entry draft on 12/14/12.
    ---* We hold the rights to these unsigned MLS draftees: Patrick Hodan through 2017.
    ---* We hold the rights to these unsigned MLS draftees: Lindo Mfeka, Christian Thierjung & Auden Schilder through 2018.​

    Staff
    * Tom Fox (President)
    * Jared Shawlee (Chief Operating Officer)
    * Jesse Fioranelli (General Manager)
    * Dominic Kinnear (Head Coach)
    * Steve Ralson (Assistant Coach)
    * John Spencer (Assistant Coach)
    * Tim Hanley (Assistant Coach)
    * Ron Shinault (Head Trainer)
    * Sean Mearns (Team Administrator)
    * Andy Dunbar (Equipment Manager)
    * Greg Tella (Fitness Coach)
    * Derek Lawrence (Assistant Athletic Trainer)
    * Chris Leitch (Technical Director )​


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    SSV
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  13. Seismothusiast

    Seismothusiast Member+

    Jul 14, 2006
    Modesto
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Welcome Valeri Qazaishvili! So, we have two DP's and maybe nine internationals.
    ____________________
    Salary Budget Roster
    1. David Bingham, #1 (GK) {10/19/89} [$197.8K]
    2. Victor Bernardez # 5 (D) (Honduras, Green Card) {5/24/82} [$266.6K]
    3. Shaun Francis # 20 (D) (Jamaica, Green Card) {10/2/86} [$123.3K]
    4. Andres Imperiale # 32 (D) (Argentina, INT) {7/8/86} [$107.5K]
    5. Harold Cummings # 31 (D) (Panama, INT) {3/1/92} [$300.7K]
    6. Marvell Wynne # 4 (D) {5/8/86} [$257.1K]
    7. Kofie Sarkodie # 2 (D) {3/22/91} [$140K]
    8. Cordell Cato #7 (D/M) (T & T, Green Card Holder) {7/15/92} [$138.7K]
    9. Florian Jungwirth, #23 (D/M) (Germany, INT) {1/27/89} [$516.7K]
    10. Fatai Alashe #27 (M) {10/21/93} [$114.4K]
    11. Anibal Godoy #30 (M) (Panama, INT}{2/10/90} [$256.2K]
    12. Darwin Ceren # 17 (M) (El Salvador, Green Card?) {12/31/89} [$249.4K]
    13. Shea Salinas #6 (M) {6/24/86} [$185K*]
    14. Jamir Hyka #10 (M) (Albania, INT) {3/8/88} [$520K]
    15. Simon Dawkins #49 (M/F) (Jamaica, INT) {12/1/87} [$800K]
    16. Valeri Qazaishvili #?? (M/F) (Georgia, INT) {1/29/93} [$???K]
    17. Marcos Urena #21 (M) (Costa Rica, INT) {3/5/90} [$289.4K]
    18. Chris Wondolowski #8 (F) {1/28/83} [$800?*]
    19. Quincy Amarikwa # 25 (F) {10/29/87}[$270.2k]
    20. Danny Hoesen #9 (F) (Netherlands, INT) {1/15/91} [$503.1K]


    * Indicates a known guaranteed contract.​

    Supplemental Roster (Off-Budget-min $65K)
    21. Andrew Tarbell (G) #28 {10/7/93} [Generation Adidas - $94]
    22. Marc Pelosi # 33 (M) {6/17/94) [75K]
    23. Matheus Silva (F) #38 (Brazil, INT) {12/6/96} [$65K]
    24. Jackson Yueill (M) #14 {3/19/97} [Generation Adidas - $176]
    Reserve Roster (Off-Budget-in $50K, under 25)
    25. Kip Colvey # 18 (D) {3/15/94} [$54.1K]
    26. Matt Bersano # 35 (G) {9/10/92} [$65]
    27. Lindo Mfeka #?? (M/F) (South Africa, Green Card?) {3/30/94} [$53]
    28. [Empty]
    Homegrown Players (Additional Reserves Slots)
    29. Tommy Tompson (M/F) #22 {8/15/95} [$155K - Homegrown Player]
    30. Nick Lima (D) #24 {11/17/94} [$86.2-Homegrown Player]​

    Players On Loan

    Leandro Barrera (M) (Argentine) {2/22/91} [$100K]

    CURRENT SALARY TOTAL for 2016 is was approximately $6,036,100, with is a $3,845,000. Qazaishvili adds $240.K since he came in mid-year. Note: Some player's salaries were likely bought down this year with allocation money, and this cost is not represented in the figure above. The 2017 figures above were used to calculate our cap, rounding up to the nearest thousand from the union's released salaries from April 2017. Part of Wondo's salary (TAM) has been bough down and he has since signed a new multi-year contract in 2016. Urena's, Hyka, Jungwirth & Hoesen signing also used TAM in 2017.

    Allocations, Slots, Rights, & Trades
    Allocations
    ***We received allocation money for missing the playoffs.***

    Trades, waivers, losses
    ---* STEWART waived- 12/15/16
    ---* MEREDITH, GOODSON, BARRETT, GOITOM, INNOCENT, LENHARDT, & SHERROD released, PELOSI
    & THOMPSON released with the intent to renegotiate - 12/2/16
    ---* PEREZ GARCIA to Orlando for Ceren and cap relief - 8/3/16
    ---* JAHN to Columbus for Targeted Allocation Money - 7/20/16
    ---* SARKODIE from Hou for Targeted allocation Money - 4/1/16
    ---* KOVAL waived - 2/27/16
    ---* Targeted allocation money and an INT slot to Rapids for general allocation money - 2/25/16.

    Slots
    ---* DP's - Dawkins and Qazaishvili occupy a DP slot, so one slot is open. Wondolowski's salary has been bought down with targeted allocation money.
    ---* We currently have no open INT slots. We have eight slots, and all eight of those slots are occupied (Godoy, Dawkins, Imperiale, Cummings, Urena, Hyka, Hoesen & Jungwirth=INT) Note: I'm not sure how but we also have Qazaishvili.

    Rights
    ---* 3rd on the allocation list.
    ---* All of our 2018 Superdraft picks.
    ---* All of our 2018 Waiver Draft and Re-Entry Draft picks.
    ---* Lottery eligible for the 2017 season.
    ---* We hold Olmes Garcia's MLS rights.
    ---* Still hold Yannick Djalo's MLS rights.
    ---* Still hold Jaime Alas' MLS rights.
    ---* We hold the right to Bryan Jordan, acquired in the re-entry draft on 12/14/12.
    ---* We hold the rights to these unsigned MLS draftees: Patrick Hodan through 2017.
    ---* We hold the rights to these unsigned MLS draftees: Lindo Mfeka, Christian Thierjung & Auden Schilder through 2018.​

    Staff
    * Tom Fox (President)
    * Jared Shawlee (Chief Operating Officer)
    * Jesse Fioranelli (General Manager)
    * Dominic Kinnear (Head Coach)
    * Steve Ralson (Assistant Coach)
    * John Spencer (Assistant Coach)
    * Tim Hanley (Assistant Coach)
    * Ron Shinault (Head Trainer)
    * Sean Mearns (Team Administrator)
    * Andy Dunbar (Equipment Manager)
    * Greg Tella (Fitness Coach)
    * Derek Lawrence (Assistant Athletic Trainer)
    * Chris Leitch (Technical Director )​


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    SSV
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  14. Socarchist

    Socarchist Member+

    Feb 21, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes

    San Jose has 3 DP's--Wondo, Dawkins and Qazaishvili. Wondo's status reverted to DP for the 2017 season.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/glossary/designated-player
     
  15. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Per league and club requirements , Qazaishvili salary remains undisclosed.....
     
  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @Seismothusiast please update to remove Kinnear and Spencer.

    The Quakes dropped a few spots in the allocation order in exchange for $175k in allocation money....

    Revs swap allocation spots with Earthquakes. Revs get 2, SJ gets 5 and $175k GAM

    New England Revolution trade the fifth spot in the allocation rankings and $175,000 of General Allocation Money for San Jose Earthquakes' second spot in the allocation rankings and either $175,000 in Targeted Allocation Money or $100,000 in GAM and $75,000 in TAM to be received in January 2018.
    Apparently the Revs are looking to acquire some player that is subject to the allocation order...
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/allocation
     
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  17. GrayBeard

    GrayBeard Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Jacksonville, FL
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe we need to start a "The Official Targeted Allocation Money" thread to discuss this. I would like to better understand what any of this means to the club in the long run.
     
  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are two kinds of allocation money, GAM:
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/glossary/general-allocation-money
    and as of a few years ago, TAM:
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/glossary/targeted-allocation-money

    TAM is used to buy down players whose salaries / transfer fees are above the DP threshold so they don't count as DPs (since there is a limit of 3 DPs per roster), TAM players on the Quakes are Hyka, Hoesen, and Jungwirth.
    Full list here: https://www.mlssoccer.com/media-resources/2017-targeted-allocation-money-players

    What this means is the Revs are most likely looking to acquire one of the 20 or so players listed here that are subject to the allocation process:
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/allocation
    (players transferred from MLS to other leagues for a fee, some members of the USMNT or USYNTs)

    For the Quakes, it could mean one of three things:
    -Buying down an existing DP (Wondo or Dawkins) to non-DP levels
    -Using GAM/TAM to acquire some other player besides Vako in this transfer window
    -Having no plans to bring in a player off the allocation list, just pocketing the money for later use

    I'm guessing it's number two... maybe a CB that fits into how Leitch wants to play.
     
  19. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It looks like the GAM/TAM we are getting is for next year. Seems like we are selling for value while we can.
     
  20. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oops, I forgot about that part, January 2018. I'll stick with my prediction (a Bernardez replacement at CB), just in the offseason instead of now.
     
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  21. SalinasQuakesFan

    Mar 27, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    #372 SalinasQuakesFan, Jul 4, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2017
    I read as the Quakes get this THIS year
    AND this in 2018
    Edit to add: From MLSsoccer.com

    The Allocation Ranking Order is set by taking the reverse order of the club’s standings at the end of each MLS Season, taking playoff performance into account, with the new expansion clubs at the top of the order.

    Once the club uses its allocation ranking to acquire a player, it drops to the bottom of the list. A ranking can be traded, provided that part of the compensation received in return is the other club’s ranking. At all times, each club is assigned one ranking. The rankings reset at the end of each MLS League season.

    Since the rankings reset each year it would seem that it is this years spot that New England is getting in exchange for the 175K TAM THIS year, with another 175K to be eithar all TAM or a combination of TAM and GAM money in JAN 2018.
     
  22. Druid Squirrel

    Dec 15, 2000
    A hollow tree
    My reading of the trade is that the Quakes get these two things now:

    1. The fifth spot in the allocation rankings.
    2. $175K in GAM.

    In exchange, New England gets the following:

    1. The second spot in the allocation rankings

    and one of the following two things in January, 2018:

    2a. $175K TAM; or
    2b. Both $100K GAM + $75 TAM.

    It's a really baffling deal. I suppose that if the allocation rank has zero value (i.e. the Quakes know for a fact that they will not sign an allocation), then there is a small advantage to having money now instead of next January. But it seems like such a minor point. Maybe they just need it to make the books balance on the new DP.
     
  23. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    That would be my guess, though can they sign the guy and then make the books balance later? I mean what if they couldn't pull off the trade?
     
  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #375 xbhaskarx, Jul 4, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2017
    My understanding is that you don't have to always be in compliance with MLS rules. I'm basing this on teams adding DPs until they have more than the three max, and then dealing with it later. That definitely happened with the mediocre Brazilian striker Gilberto, either in Toronto or Chicago. I think there are dates (probably twice a year) by which you have to be compliant with all roster and salary cap rules. So to answer your question, if this had fallen through I'm guessing the Quakes would still have plenty of time to pull off another trade, or drop a player, or do whatever they needed to do, to be compliant by a date that I'm guessing is after the end of the transfer window. But Vako has already been signed, so if this trade was necessary to balance the books, clearly they weren't balanced until this trade was made, and there were no consequences...

     

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