Once again he was outstanding for Milan. He must play for Oranje in this role. I know he is not respected by many here, but let's be real people and give the man his due! Brilliant playing by Clarence.
LEGEND! I love the guy. I love his work ethic. He just goes about his job and doesn't try to hog the spotlight. Everyone of his passes were timed almost to perfection and he is great moving (slowly) without the ball. Shame he hasn't been appreciated much by many Oranje fans.
Shame he hasn't been appreciated much by many Oranje fans. mainly because he hasn't played well for Oranje and has generally acted like a twat but he does seem to be behaving himself now and I'm fine with him being back in the squad
I too have been in the anti-Seedorf camp, but I think I'll have to eat those words... With Oranje's current midfield, and the way Seedorf is playing there's really no reason not to put him in the starting lineup.
Seedorf will always be seen as an annoying little twat by Holland fans. But if it's a choice between Landzaat and Seedorf, please Marco pick the latter.
Seedorf plays well when he can roam freely in a 4 men midfield. When he has Gatusso and Ambrosini in his back covering for him. When he has Kaka in front of him pulling 2 defenders away. We have no Gatusso and Ambrosini in Oranje. We don't play a 4 men midfield. Marco doesn't like roaming midfielders. We have no Kaka, although we can hope that Van Persie will be as good as Kaka one day.
I would agree with all of that and even during last night's game, I at times saw the Seedorf we all got to hate in the past, i.e. losing the ball too easily. For Holland he'll have defensive responsibilities that he doesn't have at Milan. Still, when given a choice between him and Landzaat, who would you pick?
Neither. Landzaat fits the system, but lacks the quality. Seedorf has the quality but doesn't fit the system.
I don't favour the system. I just recognise that as long as we have Van Basten in charge, we will play 4-3-3. Personally, I prefer a team that can play several systems.
We could have a wonderful attacking 4-3-3 Holland side with wide wingers if Van Basten hadn't alienated some of our best players and if he wasn't so intent on building in safety first options. But let's not open that can of worms again.
It's also extremely predictable. And we don't have a quality striker that feels comfortable in a 4-3-3 system.
I disagree. Most clubs and countries these days play in a safe 4-4-2 system and defenders aren't used to defending against wide wingers. Holland do not have the best selection of individual players at the moment, so they have a choice: play it safe, qualify for international tournaments, play a solid tournament that typically finishes in the 1/8 or 1/4 final, OR take a risk by trying to surprise and outsmart the opponent in a traditional 4-3-3. Van Persie has looked pretty comfortable as a striker in the 4-3-3 if you ask me.
You didn't get my point. Everyone knows that, as long as we have Van Basten in charge, we'll play 4-3-3 with only 1 decent winger (when he's fit). Wouldn't it be nice if we could throw in some surprises and change the formation when 4-3-3 isn't working? I take your point on Van Persie, although I find it a bit early to say he's comfortable after 2 games.
That's where I disagree with Van Basten you see, I'd much rather he played Robben on the left and Castelen on the right, for example. Accommodating Babel by playing Robben on the right is one of the most absurd decisions Van Basten has taken this qualifying campaign. My point is that I'd rather go back to the old days where we used to be either very rubbish or wonderful, as opposed to the way Van Basten makes Holland play, i.e. solid but average. Because I believe that that the former option is the only way we have a chance of winning something with this current generation.
Btw, Van Persie has scored in every single Euro qualifier he's been involved in as striker. He's this campaign's topscorer. I'm not sure how many games he's played as a striker exactly but it's more than two as he played in three just last year.
God no! Why would we want to do that? He's too slow and he's a liability in that he always manages to get carded. We've plenty of young quality midfielders.
Schaars, De Zeeuw, Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Aisatti, Afellay, Engelaar. I would personally try the left-footed Engelaar for the left midfield position but that's not going to happen until the day he signs for either AZ or Ajax.
schaars is not mature enough yet,same for de zeeuw aisatti&afellay are not on a level for the national squad imo engelaar=blashphemy a 4 men midfield with davids would be a huge improvement for holland
But Holland would have the same problem my roommate said Ajax had this past season. You can discuss all you want whether you should play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2, you can't play either when you have a guy sent off Afellay has reached the level for the national team, btw. In fact, against Slovenia, he was once of the best.
the card-thing is bullcrap,cuz viera gets more red cards,but shouldnt u let him play? the De boer comment is even dumber,cuz we both know davids is still a keyplayer to his team my point is u cannot have a strong midfield(which is essential) with 3 or 4 soft guys like vd vaart,sneijder,affelay u need 1 dude who can take a ball from his oponent,play some defense that guy can be davids,or van bommel,but since van bommel is out of the question,it should be davids he could bring balance in a midfield filled with young guns that are mostly attacking-orientated
Scoff! If he's good enough to play for a big team like spurs in the top league in the world the EPL, he is good enough to play for a small nation like Holland I think you'll find.