Sea plane crash in Miami - all 19 on board dead

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by MikeLastort2, Dec 19, 2005.

  1. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
  2. Dammit!

    Dammit! Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    Mickey Mouse Land
    Wow, I was in S Miami beach last weekend.

    Even went sailing near where the plane went down.


    crazy.
     
  3. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ********. My condolences to families.
     
  4. Mr. Bee

    Mr. Bee New Member

    Feb 2, 2005
    Buzzing Around
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    Wolverhampton Wanderers
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    I'm not really supposed to talk about this one but its obvious what happened.

    The video pretty much consolidated the efforts of investigation... the aircraft was nearly 60 years old as well.

    Open, shut.
     
  5. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
    Club:
    DC United
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    United States
    60 yr old airframe, which was never intended to handle the stress of a modern turbine engine. My bet is metal fatigue.
     
  6. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Yea, a lot of the Carribean airlines are scary like that. I remember a few years back flying on BVI airlines from San Juan to Tortola. I was shocked, kind of excited and a little scared to see our DC-3 sitting at the gate.

    :D :eek:
     
  7. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    DC United
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    United States
    I used to skydive quite a bit, and I've been in a few scary DC3's. The most terrifying time in those planes was the interval between takeoff and 2000 ft (minimum safe jump altitude). I swear one of them was held together with chicken wire and JB Weld.
     
  8. Mr. Bee

    Mr. Bee New Member

    Feb 2, 2005
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    Thats definately a simplistic way to look at it.. but your conclusion is one of the two items to look at. Spar failure leading to fuel leak leading to fire leading to wing separation - or engine fire leading to wing separation. Knowing the reliability of the PT6 I'm leaning towards the prior.
     
  9. Stogey23

    Stogey23 Member+

    Dec 12, 1998
    San Diego, CA
    Huh?
     
  10. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    I ALWAYS wanted to try that, but now with kids, I will probably file it in the "should have done it while I was young, stupid and single."

    I'm thinking about flying again, though.
     
  11. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Psst, he's an accident investigator. ;)
     
  12. Mr. Bee

    Mr. Bee New Member

    Feb 2, 2005
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    United States
    Given the choice between a Tristar, first generation A300, or DC-3... give me the DC-3 any day of the week.
     
  13. Mr. Bee

    Mr. Bee New Member

    Feb 2, 2005
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    I do consultation and contract work for the NTSB. Don't group me in with those guys who do it every single day. They're... an odd group :)
     
  14. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Sorry. ;)

    My Dad used to be an accident investigator for ALPA. He may have just done TWA accidents. I can't remember.
     
  15. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    DC United
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    United States
    "If they're not leaking, something is wrong..."
     
  16. Mr. Bee

    Mr. Bee New Member

    Feb 2, 2005
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    The best way to tell if you need to service the oil on a DC-3? If there's no puddle of oil underneath the engine, you need to add some
     
  17. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was actually the joke about the SH2 Sea Sprite my brother used to fly in (crew - AW) the Navy.
     
  18. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
    Club:
    DC United
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    United States
  19. Mr. Bee

    Mr. Bee New Member

    Feb 2, 2005
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    I'm curious as to why you think so?
     
  20. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Their entire fleet is the same type and age as the one that went down, and it supposedly passed its annual last year. I would think the FAA will require a thorough inspection of the entire fleet, along with a review of Chalk's maintenance procedures and records.
     
  21. Mr. Bee

    Mr. Bee New Member

    Feb 2, 2005
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    So they'll do eddy current on the wing spars and be back flying in a day... 95% chance this is a Grumman or FAA failure, 4% chance its a failure of their subcontractor 145 repair station. I'd put the chances at 1% that you've got a systemic failure of the airline's QC, just from past experience.
     
  22. Mr. Bee

    Mr. Bee New Member

    Feb 2, 2005
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    United States
    This happens every day with every airline as mandated by their individual FAA PMIs. It would require a massive failure both of the government and the airline to have an issue here (like Alaska Airlines, etc.)
     
  23. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    DC United
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    United States
  24. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    One man, Leonard Stuart of Bimini, said he lost 11 relatives in the accident.

    "I think I'm a little strong at this stage," he said. "I will probably break down later as we get nearer to the funeral time."
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    How terribly sad.
     

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