Sarri Officially Appointed New Coach - Sarri Out

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  1. Falc

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    Dybala & Alex Sandro will likely be the last two to report due to the Coppa America. Was Bentancur with Uruguay? If so, he will be coming later. Ronaldo has some extra vacation due to playing in the League of Nations.

    Sarri emphasizing the two touch drill. If you notice, players are going out of their way to avoid a first touch. This brings on bad habits. I got a bad feeling about this season.
     
  2. falvo

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    How cool to see Giovanni Martusciello substituting as manager while Maurizio Sarri is out sick!

    I remember Martusciello as a typical Serie C & B player for Empoli. He even won a few promotions to the Serie A. He was a an average player but always worked hard and had a lot of grit. I think this might help him as a coach. Usually, these types of players make for good managers.
     
  3. Falc

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    Andrea Barzagli is with us again!

    The legendary Juventus defender returns to Juventus, this time, as a member of Mister Sarri’s staff. He is the Technical Collaborator of the First Team

    A few months have passed since we last saw Andrea Barzagli. On 19 May 2019, before swinging aloft his eighth consecutive Scudetto trophy to the sky, he was presented to the fans by President Andrea Agnelli at Allianz Stadium.

    But it was only a farewell to him as a football player, a simple goodbye, between us. Now, there is splendid news to be shared, in fact, Andrea has officially returned to work with Juventus.

    More precisely, ‘Barza’ will be a Technical Collaborator of the First Team, and he will be present tomorrow at his first training session... this time, on the sidelines of the football field.

    Welcome home, Andrea, and best of luck!

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  4. juventino13

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    That's good, we could use someone like Barza on the staff.
     
  5. falvo

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    Never understood really what the old timers hanging around or in a dressing room do for a team. I can see if he were a coach but all these former players being VP’s like Nedved doesn’t in my opinion do much.
     
  6. juventino13

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    What other team has a former player as VP? And Nedved has been fine as VP, not sure what you're on about
     
  7. falvo

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    #132 falvo, Sep 25, 2019
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    What does Nedved do exactly? I saw him taking people on tours of the stadium but other than that what else can he bring to a club? Is he really involved in the signing of players or does he help or coach players? Woulnd't Juve have won just the same if he were there or not? I doubt the club won 8 straight scudetti because Nedved was sitiing at Andrea Agnelli's side...

    Cecchi Gori had Giancarlo Antognoni with him at Fiorentina until he turned on him. Totti was sitting at Roma like a HS graduate who kept crashing the school parties and he did nothing. They also had Antonio Tempestilli as team manager and now they have a former GK in Morgan De Sanctis in the same role but I still never could figure out what they did. Inter had Figo , Branca , Facchetti and Giuseppe Baresi. no one knows what their roles were. Facchetti would have been convisted of crimes but he died and all was forgiven.

    At least Leonardo at Milan brought in Kaka & Pato and he bought , utilized and sold each player for a profit. I'd say that is the only case of a former player that I can really name who did anything.
     
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  8. juventino13

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    Were any of those people you mentioned VP? Do you know what Nedved does behind the scenes? No, you don't as you just admitted, so what exactly are you complaining about? Does the VP role involve buying or selling players? No, it doesn't

    If Nedved wasn't doing anything he wouldn't have the position
     
  9. falvo

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    #134 falvo, Sep 25, 2019
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    Why get so worked up? I'm not saying VP in the literal sense I'm only poiting out I don't know what these former players actual roles are. I'm also saying I don't think they bring much to the table. If you think that Nedved (who barely speaks Italian and never went to school) brought them their last 8 scudetti, then you are sadly mistaken.

    Same goes for Totti. I doubt he was the one who helped Roma beat and eliminate Barcelona 3-0 while he was up in the stands.
     
  10. juventino13

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    You're the one who's complaining so who's the one getting worked up? And who said Nedved brought us 8 scudetto? You're the one who keeps saying that, not once did I ever mention that
     
  11. falvo

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    #136 falvo, Sep 25, 2019
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    I'm not complaining and actually can care less. I'm simply pointing out , asking and questioning what do these former players do? Same goes for Zanetti at Inter. What does he do there? Does anyone know? Heck I heard the other day that Buffon was good to keep around for the clubhouise but at least he trains, is on the roster and still plays well. The other former players, I have my doubts they bring much.
     
  12. juventino13

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    Write a letter to the club asking, maybe they'll tell you :thumbsup:
     
  13. falvo

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    You are right. I'll email Nedved and he can send me a pamphlet of the daily tours! :)
     
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    I agree its not clear what they do. Im sure he does something but whether that affects team winning or not, i doubt it
     
  15. falvo

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    Unless they are coaching some type of scout or GM , who is directly involved with player acquisitions or tactics, I always thought that former players hanging around was an overglorified positon. Not on Juve necessarily but on every club in general.
     
  16. Falc

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    Nedved is part of the management team, evaluating players, working on transfers and any other functions given to him on the club. He is on the board of directors. Many other players have done the same at other clubs. I think Totti was expecting to have a greater role but that did not happen.

    Barzagli is part of the coaching staff. He may have a strange title if he has yet to get his coaching license. Not sure.
     
  17. falvo

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    #142 falvo, Sep 25, 2019
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    Maybe so. I just remember Nedved at Lazio but not too much as a player at juventus. I think he got suspended in Serie B for what was 3/4 games but that’s all I remember.

    I still don’t know what the former greats do for a club. Actually , the best coaches are and have always been the regular players. There are exceptions with Mancini and Ancelotti but usually the superstars bring and amount to nothing. Conte was good but never a star. Allegri was just an average player. I’m sure the world would love to see Baggio or Delpiero coach but it won’t ever happen. Roberto Bettega was a good in the administration as was his predecessor , Giampiero Boniperti but that’s about it.

    Totti as a administrator or coach would be laughable. It’s no wonder why he left. Maldini is at Milan now but not sure what he is doing. By their results , it does not look like much.
     
  18. Falc

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    Nedved has been part of the management success team ever since we started winning scudetti again. From articles, it seems he has grown in his role. When Sarri was out at the start of the season, he took over the pre-match press conference. He also attends the UEFA events for the club, so he has become the face of the management in that aspect. As a player, he was fantastic. Won the scudetto four times on the pitch, won the cadetto when we unjustifiably were sent to Serie B, a couple of SuperCoppa and then missed out on the CL final after a great semifinal against Real Madrid. He received the Ballon D'Or in 2003. He is definitely among one of the Juve greats, staying with the side when we went to B.
     
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    Yeah well that is great. Delpiero, Platini , Baggio Tardelli, Zoff, Gentile and everyone else who played at Juve also had wonderful playing resumes. That still doesn't mean Nedved magically waved his wand and helped them win 8 straight scudetti. I seriously doubt he played a huge role in it. Kudos to him if he was directly involved in helping them win but if anyone played a major role in my opinion it was Marotta, Conte and Allegri who were the protagonists in which players to buy and shape the winning team.
     
  20. Falc

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    You are wrong on two of the three. The coaches had little say in the transfer market. Reason why Conte left. Nedved worked with Marotta and Patrici in scouting players. Not all players make good for management but others do. Nedved seems to be in the latter category.
     
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  21. falvo

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    Ok so as I already posted if he was directly involved , kudos to him. Maybe he deserves some credit but I still personally believe though as has been the case throughout history of Juventus and their winning cycles , I’m pretty sure they will have won with or without Nedved in the front office. I mean if he wasn't there it will have been someone else as they have been the best team in Italy since the 1930's.

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  22. juveeer

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    Barzag's role is supposedly a technical director. he will be on Sarri's staff, on the field.

    Plenty of great players were also good coaches/etc.

    Perhaps the greatest example of that is Johann Cruyff who was a top 3 or 4 player ever, and one of the top managers/coaches/adminstrators in the history of futbol.

    Why are we arguing about this? if the club thinks these people deserve roles, who are we to challenge that? I am sure both Buffon and Chiellio will have roles at Juve when they retire - if they want them.

    Giorgio has a business degree and I have read where he will step into management when he steps off the field.

    As to Nedveds' accomplishments as a player, anyone who has been a fan of Juve during his playing career will tell you he was one of the best we have had here. His career accomplishments are beyond questioning.

    What he does management wise I don't know, but the club just bet bigly on him and Paratici so someone in charge thinks what he is doing is valuable.
     
  23. falvo

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    #148 falvo, Sep 26, 2019
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    There are always exceptions of great players becoming great managers. Johan Cruyff, Pep Guardiola, Kenny Dalglish, Franz Beckenbauer and Fabio Capello were all great national team players and they turned into great winning coaches.

    I would have loved to see for example what Best, Pele or Maradona could have done as coaches had they been given top teams or organizations but it was never to be for any of them. Zidane hasn't coached long enough but he won as a player and as a coach. He was also given a top team.
     
  24. Falc

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    The bar just got lowered. So much for Boniperti’s legendary quote “Winning isn’t important at Juventus, it’s the only thing that counts!”

    Juventus assistant Giovanni Martusciello has warned fans that Maurizio Sarri needs time. “It’s not easy to get results immediately.”

    Now, Martusciello has made it clear that the former Napoli boss is under no pressure to keep delivering silverware, despite their run of eight straight Scudetti.

    “It’s clear that winning everything right away isn’t easy,” he told supporters at an event in Ischia.

    “If we dwell on results then we’ll encounter huge difficulties, so we must move on from the final result, which can be a win or a loss like in our last game, and try to make these lads understand that the path to success must be a different one, that you can’t win everything right away.​
     
  25. falvo

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    I remember Martusciello as an average midfielder at Empoli. As a player he seemed to give his all but also seemed complacent with playing in Serie B or C. I know being a top player isn't how one should be measured as a coach but maybe never being part of a top club like Juve may have conditioned him to being patient. Sadly for him anyway, Juve in recent years aren't a club who rests on their laurels.
     

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