Ronaldo vrs Michael vick, whos a better athlete?

You say i don't know what i am talking about? Im prob the most competitive kid you'll ever meet.

Yes Tyson was smaller than most boxers he would knock tha f.. out of anybody. Yes Michael Jordan wasnt the tallest or the strongest basketball player either... you got the point... is not who is bigger or stronger... is who is able to use his athletic abilities and beat the crap out of your opponents!

I asked what have Vick ever won? nobody answered that one?

You could be the most "athletic" guy on earth, but if you never win crap, whos is going to admire you?

Ronaldo with his ahtletic ability won a world championship, 3 times the best soccer player on earth, considered unnestopabble on his prime, nobody could stop Ronaldo back in the days, scoring an avereage of 35 goals per season in the most competitive soccer leagues in the world (Spanish, Italian, Brazilian).

The best athletes are the ones that win championships, if Vick never won anything... lets bring a real contender for Ronaldo, maybe Michael Jordan?

whats up?

 

so ronaldos awards are only bc of his teammates.

Vick won some college crap, i though we were talking big boys in here. Vick can prob be compared to Adriano.

Lets talk big guys, I though Vick was like a big deal on NFL.

Jordan may go in the category of Pele.
Tyson and Maradona I guess, both little guys that would knock the f.. out of their big opponents.

Ronaldo vrs Ali maybe? Vick is out, if he won only a sugar bowl or whatever that is, i think is not even the NCAA championship, come on now. This is world competition not college kids.

 

Remember I said Im prob the most competitive kids you'll ever met?

I'll give you a good example of it.

To play with the big boys, you've got to be one of them, other than that, nobody would give a crap about you. You either have to play with them, or againts them and actually beat them.

The argument of Maradona being better than Pele would never end bc Maradona won a WCC with an Argentinian team that had almost "nobody" in their line up.

Pele in the other hand played for the "dream team" in Brazil.

Competitive people have come out with the question.

Whats harder, to be the best among the best or to be the best on a team of "nobodies."

Well it is a lot harder to be the best with the best, look what happened to David Beckam that was a Mega Super Star on EPL, he went to Real Madrid where the big boys are, and did nothing, BarbieBeckam was just another player on the team of Ronaldos and Zidanes.

It is really hard to be the best when you play with the best. There comes the other arguement that is also hard to win championships with a team of nobodies. Maradona did a lot with Napoli, whos Napoli? Then he went to Barcelona and was still the best!

Ronaldo is the best with the best and made the Brazilian team when he was only 17, the one that won USA 94. Then he took Brazil to the championship in 98 being unnostopable. Ronaldo had a convulsion before the France game, Ronaldo was out, and Brazil lost 3-0... so I guess any of "those team would win anything withouth Ronaldo."

Ronaldo came back in Japan 2002 scoring the two winning goals in the Championship... you know you recognize who the best player is when it comes to important games... Ronaldinho went down after the Germany 06.

So yeah Ronaldo is a heck of a player, he was injured bc nobody could stop him, but after a being with a broken foot for a long time, he came back to be the best again, don't tell me Ronaldos success is bc of his teammates.

You tell me Eto, Nistelroy, and maybe even Pele I'll recognize that. But Ronaldo beat the crap out defenders himself, most of Ronaldos goals are awesome, his speed, his pace and his dribbing ability put him among the best of all time.

So yeah bring another contender for Ronaldo, Vick is out, remember we are talking big boys now, and yes the best athletes are the ones that win Championship, in soccer we also had incredible player that never won anything so they cannot be considered as the best, the Magician Gonzalez for example whos was compared to Maradona, but he never won anything.

Haha I love it, finally soccer is being talked by competitive americans and not by mommis boys that have a poster of BarbieBeckam in their room

 

Michael Jordan used to be my hero as a kid. I think Michael Jordan was awarded by the athlete of the century in the US if not, he should be.

The worlds athlete of the century is my man Pele, see soccer goes first and then Basketball, I still like American football better than basketball though.

I consider soccer as the sport of the smart, cocky man. Football is the sport of the strong man, and basketball of the tall man. Soccer goes on top though, basically soccer if for the "perfect" man, not too big, not too strong, good looking and smart

This my homie Pele,

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Pelé
Personal information
Full name Edson Arantes do Nascimento
Date of birth October 23, 1940
Place of birth Três Corações (MG), Brazil
Nickname O Rei (The King),
Pérola Negra (The Black Pearl),
Dico (by his family)
Position Forward
Youth clubs
1952-1956 Bauru EC
Professional clubs*
Years Club Apps (goals)
1956-1974
1975-1977 Santos FC
Cosmos 605 (589)[1]
64 (37)

National team
1956-1971 Brazil 92 (77)
* Professional club appearances and goals
counted for the domestic league only.

Edson Arantes do Nascimento, KBE (born October 23, 1940 in Três Corações, Brazil), best known by his nickname Pelé, is a former Brazilian football player who is regarded by many as the greatest player of all time.[citation needed]

Pelé played as an inside forward, striker, and what today would be referred to as the playmaker position. It is controversially quoted that he scored 1,281 goals during his career (see statistics, below). Pelé's technique and natural athleticism have been universally praised: he was an exceptionally prolific goalscorer and was renowned for his dribbling and passing, as well as his pace, strong shot and an exceptional heading ability for a man of average Brazilian height. His most spectacular move was probably the "bicycle kick".

Pelé is the only footballer ever to win three World Cup trophies. His number 10 shirt has become traditional among creative attacking midfielders and forwards, and many of the sport's great players have since worn it.

Pelé has been married twice: first in 1966, to Rosemeri, with whom he had two children. This marriage ended in divorce in 1978. He married Assiria on April 30, 1994 and the couple have two children. Since his full retirement in 1977 Pelé has been an ambassador for football and has also undertaken various acting roles and commercial ventures.

Contents [hide]
1 Early life
2 Club career
2.1 Santos
2.2 New York Cosmos
3 National team career
3.1 1958 World Cup
3.2 1962 World Cup
3.3 1966 World Cup
3.4 1970 World Cup
4 Honours
4.1 Santos
4.2 New York Cosmos
4.3 Brazil
4.4 Other
5 Career Statistics
5.1 Goalscoring and appearance record
5.2 Other records
6 After football
7 See also
8 References and notes
9 External links



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Early life
Pelé was born in Três Corações, Minas Gerais, Brazil, the son of Fluminense footballer Dondinho.[2] He was named after American inventor Thomas Edison,[3] and was originally nicknamed Dico by his family.[2][4][5] He did not receive the nickname "Pelé" until his school days, when it is claimed he was given it because of his pronunciation of the name of his favourite player, Sao Paulo goalkeeper Bilé.[5] He originally disliked the nickname, and was once suspended from school for punching the classmate that coined it.[6] However, the more he complained the more he was called by it. In his autobiography, Pelé stated he had no idea what the name means, nor did his old friends.[2] Apart from the assertion that the name is derived from that of Bilé, the word has no known meaning. However, it resembles the Irish language word 'Peile', meaning football, and the Hebrew word פֶּלֶא, meaning "wonder".[7]

Growing up in poverty in Bauru, São Paulo, Pelé could not afford a football and usually played with either a sock stuffed with newspaper, tied with a string[2] or a grapefruit.[8] At the age of 11, Pelé was scouted by Brazilian legend Waldemar de Brito and was invited to join de Brito's amateur team, Clube Atlético Bauru.[8]

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Club career
In 1956, Waldemar de Brito took Pelé to São Paulo, an industrial and port town in São Paulo State in eastern Brazil, to try out for professional club Santos Futebol Clube. De Brito told the directors at Santos that the 16-year-old would be "the greatest football player in the world." [citation needed]

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Santos
During his time at Santos, Pelé played alongside many gifted players, including Zito, Pepe and Coutinho; the latter partnered him in numerous one-two plays, attacks, and goals.

Pelé made his debut for Santos in 1956, scoring one goal in a 7-1 friendly victory over Corinthians. When the 1957 season started, Pelé was given a starting place in the first team and, at the age of just 16, became the top scorer in the league. Just ten months after signing professionally, the teenager was called up to the Brazil national team. After the World Cup in 1962, wealthy European clubs offered massive fees to sign the young player, but the government of Brazil declared Pelé an "official national treasure" to prevent him from being transferred out of the country.[9]

On November 19, 1969, Pelé scored his 1000th goal in all competitions. This was a highly anticipated moment in Brazil.[3] The goal, called popularly O Milésimo (The Thousandth), occured in a match against Vasco da Gama, when Pelé scored a penalty kick, at the Maracanã Stadium.[3]

Pelé states that his most beautiful goal was scored at Rua Javari stadium on a Campeonato Paulista match against Sao Paulo rivals Juventus on August 2, 1959. As there is no video footage of this match, Pelé asked that a computer animation be made of this specific goal.[3] In March 1961, Pelé scored the gol de placa (goal worthy of a plaque), a goal against Fluminense at the Maracanã which was regarded as so spectacular that a plaque was commissioned with a dedication to the most beautiful goal in the history of the Maracanã.[10]

In 1967, the two factions involved in the Nigerian Civil War agreed to a 48-hour ceasefire so they could watch Pelé play an exhibition game in Lagos.[11]

In a Santos - Cruzeiro match, played in 1968, Pelé broke the leg of Procópio.[12]

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New York Cosmos
After his retirement from Brazilian club football on 2 October 1974, Pelé joined the New York Cosmos of the North American Soccer League. A reported $7,000,000 contract for three years made him the highest-paid football player of the North American Soccer League.[13]

During the three seasons he played for the Cosmos, he was named in the annual NASL First Team: the 11 best players of a particular season. He was also named as the league's most valuable player in 1976. His lucrative contract for the Cosmos meant that Pelé had to play in the regular U.S. NASL season but also travel the world playing many exhibition games. During the three years Pelé played for Cosmos, he played matches in countries such as China, Japan, Sweden, Bermuda and Uganda. In his final year as a professional player, the Cosmos won the 1977 NASL Championship. During that season, Pelé was joined by fellow Brazilian Carlos Alberto, Turkish panthera goalkeeper Yasin Ozdenak and "the Kaiser", Franz Beckenbauer.

He played his last game as a professional in a friendly match on October 1, 1977, in front of a capacity crowd at Giants Stadium against his old club, Santos; he played the first half with the Cosmos and the second half with Santos. The exhibition game was sold out six weeks beforehand. Pelé did appear in a few friendly games for the Cosmos after he retired in 1977. Due to falling attendance, the Cosmos tried to bring Pelé out of retirement a second time, but he declined.

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National team career
Pelé's first international match was a 2-1 victory against Argentina on July 7, 1957. In that match, he scored his first goal for Brazil, three months before his 17th birthday.

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1958 World Cup
His World Cup debut was against the USSR in the first round of the 1958 FIFA World Cup. He was the youngest player of the tournament, and at the time the youngest ever to play in the World Cup. He scored his first World Cup goal against Wales in quarterfinals, the only goal of the match, to help Brazil advance to semifinals, against France. In that semifinal, Brazil was leading 2-1 at halftime, and then Pelé scored a hat-trick, becoming the youngest in World Cup history to do so.

On 19 June 1958 Pelé became the youngest player to play in a World Cup final match at 17 years and 239 days. He scored two goals in the final as Brazil beat Sweden 5-2. His first goal, a lob over a defender followed by a precise volley shot, was selected as one of the best goals in the history of the World Cup. When the match ended, he passed out on the field, and had to be attended by the medical staff.[3] He then recovered, and was visibly compelled by the victory, in tears as being congratulated by his teammates. He finished the tournament with six goals in four matches played, tied for second place, behind record-breaker Just Fontaine.

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1962 World Cup
In the first match of the 1962 World Cup, against Mexico, Pelé assisted the first goal and then scored the final 2-0 after a run past three defenders. He injured himself while attempting a long-range shot against Czechoslovakia.[3] This would keep him out of the rest of the tournament, and forced coach Aymoré Moreira to make his only lineup change of the tournament. The substitute was Amarildo, who had a good performance in the tournament; it was, however, Garrincha, who would take the leading role and carried Brazil to their second World Cup title.

In a friendly match played in 1965, Pelé broke the leg of West Germany player Kiesman; an action which many believed to be intentional.[12][14]

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1966 World Cup
The 1966 tournament was remembered for its excessive physical play, and Pelé was one of the victims of such play. After becoming the first player ever to score in three World Cups, with a direct free kick against Bulgaria, he had to rest, due to tiredness,[15] for the match against Hungary, which Brazil lost 1-3. He then faced Portugal, and several violent tackles by the Portuguese defenders caused him to leave the match and the tournament. Brazil lost that match and was eliminated in the first round of the World Cup for the first time since 1934. After the tournament, Pelé declared that he did not wish to play in the World Cup again.[3]

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1970 World Cup
When Pelé was called to the national team in early 1969, he first refused, but then accepted and played in six World Cup qualifying matches, scoring six goals. The 1970 tournament in Mexico was to be Pelé's last.

The 1970 squad featured major changes in relation to the 1966 squad. Players like Garrincha, Nilton Santos, Djalma Santos, and Gilmar had already retired, but the team, with Pelé, Rivelino, Jairzinho, Gérson, Tostão, and Clodoaldo, is widely considered one of the greatest football teams ever.[citation needed]

In the first match, against Czechoslovakia, Pelé scored the 2-1 after controlling Gerson's pass with his chest. Brazil won the match, 4-1. On the first half of the match against England, he nearly scored with a header that was spectacularly saved by Gordon Banks. On the second half, he assisted Jairzinho for the only goal of the match. Against Romania, he opened the score on a direct free kick goal, a strong strike with the outside of his right foot. Later on the match he scored again to put the score 3-1. Brazil won by a final score of 3-2. In quarterfinals against Peru, Brazil won 4-2, with Pelé assisting Tostão on his team's third goal. In the semi-finals, Brazil faced Uruguay for the first time since the 1950 World Cup final round match. Jairzinho put Brazil ahead 2-1, and Pelé assisted Rivelino for the 3-1. In that match, Pelé hit Uruguayan player Fontes with his elbow,[3][14] at the same time the latter was fouling Pelé.

Brazil played Italy in the final, with Pelé scoring the opener on a header over defender Tarcisio Burgnich. He then made assists on Jairzinho's and Carlos Alberto's goals, the latter one after an impressive collective play. Brazil won the match 4-1, keeping the Jules Rimet Trophy indefinitely. Burgnich, who marked Pelé during the match, was quoted saying "I told myself before the game, he's made of skin and bones just like everyone else — but I was wrong".[16]

His last international match was on July 18, 1971 against Yugoslavia in Rio de Janeiro. His record with the Brazilian team was 67 wins, 14 draws, and 11 losses. Brazil never lost a match with both Pelé and Garrincha on the field.[17]

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Honours
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Santos
Official Tournaments

Campeonato Paulista champion in 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969 and 1973. [18]
Torneio Rio-São Paulo champion in 1959, 1963 and 1964[19]
Torneio Roberto Gomes Pedrosa (Taça de Prata) champion in 1968
Taça Brasil champion in 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964 and 1965
Copa Libertadores champion in 1962 and 1963
Intercontinental Cup in 1962 and 1963
South-American Recopa: 1968
Unofficial Tournaments

Copa Oswaldo Cruz: 1958, 1962, 1968
Mexico City Tournament 1959
Teresa Herrera Trophy: 1959
Copa Naranja de Valencia : 1959
Paris Tournament: 1960, 1961
Buenos Aires Tournament: 1965
Chile Octogonal Tournament: 1968
Rome-Florence Tournament: 1968
Amazon Tournament: 1968
Kingston City Tournament: 1971
Laudo Natel Tournament: 1974
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New York Cosmos
NASL champion in 1977
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Brazil
World Cup champion in 1958, 1962, 1970
Roca Cup: 1957, 1963
Copa O'Higgins: 1959
Copa Atlântica: 1960
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Other
He was voted athlete of the century by the International Olympic Committee in 1999 for his Olympic successes.

In December 2000, Pelé was named Footballer of the Century by FIFA. The award was intended to be based upon votes in a web poll, but after it became apparent that the poll favoured Diego Maradona, FIFA appointed a "Family of Football" committee to decide the winner of the award. Maradona was instead awarded the title of FIFA Internet Player of the Century. Critics to the poll point out that the average age of the current internet user could have favoured the idol of the 1980s. Allegations that the internet poll had been bombarded by Argentine fans still remain to this day.[20]

In the same year, Pelé received the Laureus World Sports Awards Lifetime Achievement Award from South African President Nelson Mandela.

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Career Statistics
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Goalscoring and appearance record
Pelé's goalscoring record is often reported as being 1281 goals in 1363 games.[21] This figure includes goals scored by Pelé in non-competitive club matches: for example, international tours Pelé completed with Santos and New York Cosmos, and games Pelé played in for armed forces teams during his national service in Brazil.[22]

The tables below record every goal Pelé scored in major club competitions for Santos and New York Cosmos. During much of Pelé's playing career in Brazil there was no national league championship. From 1960 onwards the Brazilian Football Confederation (CBF) were required to provide meritocratic entrants for the then-new Copa Libertadores, a South American international club competition broadly equivalent to the European Cup. To enable them to do this, the CBF organised two national competitions: the Taça de Prata and Taça Brasil. A national league championship, the Campeonato Brasileiro, was first played in 1971, alongside traditional state and interstate competitions such as the Campeonato Paulista and the Torneio Rio-São Paulo.

The number of league goals scored by Pelé is listed in the infobox at the top of this page as 589 in 605 games. This number is the sum of the goals scored by Pelé in national league-based competitions: the Campeonato Paulista (SPS), Torneio Rio-São Paulo (RSPS), Taça de Prata and Campeonato Brasileiro. The Taça Brasil was a national competition organised on a knockout basis.

A dark grey cell in the table indicates that the relevant competition did not take place that year.

Club Season SPS[23] RSPS[23] T. de Prata Camp. Brasil.[23] T. Brasil Copa Libertadores Total
Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals
Santos 1956 0* 0* 0* 0*
1957 14+15* 19+17*[24] 9 5 38 41
1958 38 58 8 8 46 66
1959 32 45 7 6 4* 2* 43* 53*
1960 30 33 3 0 0 0 0 0 33 33
1961 26 47 7 8 5* 7 0 0 38* 62
1962 26 37 0 0 5* 2* 4* 4* 35* 43*
1963 19 22 8 14 4* 8 4* 5* 35* 49*
1964 21 34 4 3 6* 7 0* 0* 31* 44*
1965 30 49 7 5 4* 2* 7* 8 48* 64*
1966 14 13 0* 0* 5* 2* 0 0 19* 15*
1967 18 17 14* 9* 0 0 0 0 32* 26*
1968 21 17 17* 11* 0 0 0 0 38* 28*
1969 25 26 12* 12* 0 0 37* 38*
1970 15 7 13* 4* 0 0 28* 11*
1971 19 8 21 1 0 0 40 9
1972 20 9 16 5 0 0 36 14
1973 19 11 30 19 0 0 49 30
1974 10 1 17 9 0 0 27 10
All 412 470 53 49 56* 36* 84 34 33* 30* 15 17[25] 653 636
Club Season NASL
Apps Goals
NY Cosmos 1975 9 5
1976 24 15
1977 31 17
All 64 37

A "*" indicates this number was inferred from a Santos fixture list from rsssf.com and this list of games Pelé played, with the number of goals he scored in each. The list includes all 1282 goals he ever scored.
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Other records
Pelé is in third place on the list of all-time top goalscorers in international matches; in 92 appearances for the Brazilian team, he scored 77 goals. He is in fourth place behind Ronaldo, Gerd Müller, and Just Fontaine on the list of goalscorers in World Cup matches, with 12 goals. He was part of three World Cup winning teams, although he did not play in the 1962 final due to injury and did not receive a medal. Pelé is one of only four footballers to have achieved the feat of scoring in two different world cup final matches, sharing that honor with Paul Breitner, Vava, and Zinedine Zidane.[26]

He ended his career with a total of 1,282 goals in 1,366 matches,[1] It is often claimed that Pelé is the most prolific scorer in football history, but many of these goals were scored in non-competitive club matches. For instance, if one counts non-competitive goals when compiling the total of goals scored by Gerd Müller, he would have a career total of 1455 goals in 1204 games.[27] As non-competitive games are rarely counted in player's statistics it is unknown how many players could have passed Pelé's mark, but 1,282 goals is certainly one of the highest totals achieved by a professional footballer. If one looks only at competitive goals, then Pelé is the second highest scorer of all time behind Josef Bican.[28] Bican never attempted to draw attention to his record, and when questioned about this, he quipped "who'd have believed me if I said I'd scored five times as many goals as Pelé?"[29]

Although the Brazilian domestic league system provided every single starter from the 1958, 1962, and 1970 Brazil World Cup Champions,[30] perhaps leading one to the assumption that it was the world's strongest league during the years of Pelé's career, one also has to take into account the state nature of the league. At the time Santos mainly played against other teams from the São Paulo region, whereas the best players were spread around teams all across Brazil.[citation needed] As of 2006, teams from São Paulo state have won 14 of a possible 36 national league titles (see Titles by state)

Pelé's Santos won twice both the Copa Libertadores (against Boca and Penarol in the two finals) and the World Club Championship (against Eusebio's Benfica and AC Milan in the two finals).

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After football

Pelé, right, with Brazil President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, left, and Dona Marisa, July 13, 2004 -- Original photo by Ricardo Stuckert/Agência BrasilThe most notable area of Pelé's life since football is his ambassadorial work for various bodies. In 1992, Pelé was appointed a United Nations ambassador for ecology and the environment.

He was awarded Brazil's Gold Medal for outstanding services to the sport, and in 1995, Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso appointed Pelé to the position of "Extraordinary Minister for Sport". During this time he proposed legislation to reduce corruption in Brazilian football, which became known as the Pelé law. When finally approved in 2000, the bill contained just 11% of the original text, causing Pelé to state that he wanted his name removed from it.[31] Pelé left his position in 2001 after he was accused of involvement in a bribery scandal.[32]

In 1995, he was appointed a UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador, and in 1997 he was given an honorary British knighthood.

In 2002, Pelé scouted for Premiership Football Team Fulham FC.[33]

In 2005, Pelé drew international media attention due to the imprisonment of his son Edson Cholbi Nascimento, an ex-goalkeeper of Santos Futebol Clube, who was arrested in an operation to dismantle a drug gang in southeastern Brazil. The younger Nascimento, then 35, was arrested along with about 50 other people after an eight-month investigation into a cocaine trafficking operation in the port city of Santos.[citation needed]

Pelé has published several autobiographies, starred in documentary and semi-documentary films and composed various musical pieces, including the entire soundtrack for the film Pelé in 1977. He appeared, alongside other footballers of the 1960s and 1970s, Michael Caine, and Sylvester Stallone, in the 1981 film Escape to Victory, about an attempted escape from a WWII Nazi POW Camp. Pelé was one of the first black persons to be featured on the cover of Life magazine, and was the first sports figure featured in a video game with the Atari 2600 game Pelé's Soccer.

He is now reasonably well known for his role in promoting impotence cure Viagra.[citation needed]

Acting and film career
Os Estranhos (1969) (TV Series)
O Barão Otelo no Barato dos Bilhões (1971)
A Marcha (1973)
Os Trombadinhas (1978)
Escape to Victory (1981)
A Minor Miracle (1983)
Pedro Mico (1985)
Os Trapalhões eo Rei do Futebol (1986)
Hotshot (1987)
Solidão, Uma Linda História de Amor (1990)
Mike Bassett: England Manager (2001)
ESPN SportsCentury (2004)

I could go on and on with this, im an expert on competitive soccer, need anything just let me know.

 

Ronaldo made the Brazilian team at the age 17, who knows why he didnt play but he was good enough to be there, and yes we can he won 2 WC because he was there.

I do think Diego was the greatest man, Diego is the "god" of soccer.

Right now we are just compering soccer athletes to North American Athletes.

Pele - Jordan
Diego - Tyson
Ronaldo - Ali

Any great American football player, anybody? I do need to know more about American football, I have watched the last Super Bowl and the Rose Bowl but I dont know crap about American Football history.

I guess my true list of sports goes like that.

1. Futbol - king of sports
2. Boxing - the toughest
3. Surfing - dude we're californians, we the shizzle
4. American football

I used to like Golf but since Tiger Wood is talking crap, golf is out, only old white people think golf is a real sport anyway

Peace

 

This is may comparison on soccer players vrs american athletes, i'll have to do a research on american football, can anybody else try to come out with the best NFL players of all time and try to compare them to our boys.

Here is my list, for now, american football not include it.

1. Maradona - Ali
2. Pele - Jordan
3. Ronaldo - Koby Bryan?
4. Roberto Carlos - Tyson
5. David Beckam - Dennis Rodman
6. Ronaldinho - Vince Carter?
7. Jorge Gonzalez - any magicians in American sports?
8. Landon Donovan - Tiger wood

I heard a lot about this quarterback but I forgot his last name, is like Italian or something. I still have to find out about about American football to compare soccer players to them.

Peace