Rape/Sexual Assault Culture

What exactly is your definition of pimping? Because from my perspective, it is inherently unethical.

 

I knew you would not agree with the second point.

 

But not to buy. Which means that Sweden feels it's fine to ruin the life of an adult who wishes to have consensual sex with another adult.

Might as well jail homosexuals while you're at it, fellas.

 

I'm not sure this is the exactly correct thread to put this in, but I'm not sure which one is, it almost fits into a few ..... but this thread was fresher and it might speak as much to our rape/sex/women culture as it does our everybody-needs-a-gun-now culture.
If the main gun thread was not labelled mass shootings I likely would have put it there .... it's about how Colorado gun-nut advocates are mainly now attacking the women legislators involved in passing gun restrictions (none very severe) not too long ago.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...rol-recall-elections-focus-on-women-lawmakers

 

wouldn't it make more sense to prosecute only if it was found that the woman was being forced into it?

They also should have much stiffer penalties for forcing people into it, such as life imprisonment.

 

You could have a system of licensing for prostitutes, like any other business. If you go to a licensed prostitute, then you don't have to worry about being prosecuted. If you go to an unlicensed prostitute, you can be charged with a crime.

 

Or, far more likely, it might be an adult woman who voluntarily enters the business so as to earn her keep.

 

Some alternate views on this:
http://www.spiegel.de/international...worker-professional-association-a-930831.html
http://feministire.wordpress.com/20...really-increase-human-trafficking-in-germany/

A close friend of mine is a sex worker, voluntarily and all. Having heard quite a few first accounts through this, I don't see anything inherently wrong with prostitution at all. I probably have a somewhat biased view here as well, since I literally only know sex workers who fit the "happy hooker" stereotype. Still, this makes me firmly belief that people should focus on the actual problems (including sex trafficking) instead of making blanket statements about prostitution as whole, as:

I haven't read the entire study, though from skimming it one of their points seems to be that in Germany, "where prostituion is legal" (they use this phrase multiple times when Germany comes up), things are just as bad as elsewhere. However, the prostitutes they interviewed in Germany were from drop-in shelter for drug addicted women. So I would just like o point out that this isn't exactly the place where you will find people working in safe conditions and all, which makes their entire statistics on Germany somewhat questionable (legalized prostitution of course doesn't magically cure all problems - a homeless women prostituting herself on the street to get money for drugs is indeed unlikely to be a "happy hooker").

 

Stripper
Porn star
Hooker
Softcore model
Sugarbaby
Internet chat girls
Phone sex girls (if they exist anymore)

I don't make any distinction.

 

http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2013/12/prostitution-france

 

She sounds like France's Harriet Harman.

At any rate, prostitution in practice is illegal in France. Prostitutes can't solicit customers, others can't solicit for them, and they are in the parks and streets because they are not allowed to entertain customers in rooms. Driving the business further underground figures to make matters worse rather than better.

She sure did get attention for herself, though, which I assume was the point.

 

As a side note, the statistics on human trafficking are tricky. For example, I just saw an estimate of 18,000 trafficked/abused prostitutes in France.

So, where does this estimate come from? Surely the most reliable source would come from police activity, where the amount of convictions for trafficking and/or the recovery of trafficked women is multiplied by some amount.

Then I ran into this -

OK clearly there's a Nigerian smuggling/trafficking problem. Others? Are the Eastern European women in France being smuggled? Or did they come there of their own free will, as they do in England (where prostitution is legal)?

Hard to get a straight answer. Those who speak publicly about the subject almost always have an agenda.

 

I may be in favor of legalization, but if you are going to keep it illegal at least what France and Sweden do is the way to go, go after the customers/pimps and not the prostitutes.

Some in the USA are starting to do that.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/25/us/miami-sex-trafficking/

 

I agree that's the right way to go. Sorta.

If girls are in hotels, they are being advertised. Have the police answer the ads, see if the woman is drugged or has signs of abuse. If so, put the pimp in jail for a long damn time. Get the customers too. They shouldn't been seeing drugged women.

If the girl is there of her own free will, however, then get out of there and let people be.

I'd love to see some police force put a big effort into this. For one, we'd get real data on how many women are doing this voluntarily and how many are not. How many are children and how many are not. Right now, it's pretty much all just storytelling by people who are trying to sell something.

 

I know here in Columbus they have been taking that approach for years.

My company is located in a bad area, Franklinton for those that know the area. There is a park across the street that twice a year hosts a sting operation targeting johns. They set up a mobile command center, send female cops out dressed like prostitutes and have the johns bring their vehicles back to the park for the action. There are more than 100 cars/trucks taken away each time. The johns are arrested and the vehicles impounded.

I am always amazed at the number of work trucks with company logos and state and city vehicles that are impounded and the idiocy of the people picking up the undercover officers. I know some of the prostitutes in the area, they come by at the end of the month looking for "spare change" from my staff, and I can tell you the cops they dress up like hookers look nothing like the actual sex workers.

 

Boy, first Playboy, now this. You're opening up a tad too much if I may say.