Rape/Sexual Assault Culture

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  1. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
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    exactly KC and I'm definitely not expecting Congress to do much of anything...
     
  2. KCFutbol

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    Jun 14, 2001
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    Why a female would ever join the military is beyond me.
     
  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Cuz whether or not you wear underwear means you "wanted it." Is this the 1920s?
     
  4. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    #29 JohnR, Sep 22, 2013
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    Per an article in yesterday's WSJ, athletes are 3% of male college students nationally, but account for 19% of reported sexual assaults. It almost always happens on the guys' turf. The women are at the athlete's house and find out that that the guy (or guys) think that more will be happening than the woman expects.
     
  5. minerva

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    education is key. both the young men and the young women.
    you can educate young men about what is ok and what is not.
    but at the same time, testosterone-driven young men will at times cross the line.
    young women also need to be educated as to what is safe and sensible behavior.
    and of course, there has to be accountability. by the young men. his parents. the school. the community.
     
  6. msilverstein47

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    no means no...maybe still means no
     
  7. minerva

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    I thought "no" meant you had to try harder, no?
     
  8. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Hmmm. I would not have expected that article to be written by a woman for a lefty publication, with quotes in support from people I assume are lefties.

    Surely if we are pursuing this path, the better and more obvious solution is to take drinks away from the males.
     
  9. ceezmad

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    Maybe the temperance movement was right after all ;)
     
  10. msilverstein47

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    Newsday is perceived to be on the "left"???
     
  11. JohnR

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    Newsday picked up a Slate article. The author is Slate's relationship/advice/women's issues columnist.
     
  12. minerva

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  13. Funkfoot

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    May 18, 2002
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    Sure sounds like meth heads. How many people want their porn stars to have ringworm, body lice and black teeth, underage or not? But then what do you expect from a town with a name like Johnson City? That just screams "Porntown."
     
  14. soccernutter

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    Aug 22, 2001
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    This could go in a few thread, but since it has to do with the acceptance of violence and prostitution, I figured this would be the place.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...sex-as-violence-rather-than-vice-8957485.html
    So, we start here:
    Despite frequent reports of prostitutes being trafficked, enslaved, raped or beaten, men who indulge in the sex trade get a free pass. They may be seen as cheeky or flawed – just look at Russell Brand – but they are unlikely to be viewed as colluders in exploitation.

    Then this:
    In one account [Joan Smith] describes a woman who was partially blinded by a beating and then forced to wear an eye patch and go on working. “No man who had sex with this woman could have thought it was consensual,” Joan told me when I met her this month. “Yet many did so anyway.”

    And this stat, from a UTexas study. The paper seems like it will be interesting.
    This study shows nine out of ten prostitutes would escape the industry if they could, and even when stories don’t involve physical abuse there is usually evidence of socio-economic coercion.

    The article goes on to talk about how most of society looks at prostitution in unfairly equal terms, or unfairly unequal terms. Prostitutes and customers are treated the same, when they are not. There clearly is a power aspect that the customer has. It is interesting that the article notes that Swedish model, which allows for the selling, but prohibits the buying, has had a positive effect on the stigmatization of the sex trade.
     
    bigredfutbol repped this.
  15. Belgian guy

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    Aug 19, 2002
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    Like with the drug trade, the only effective way to tackle the problem is by reducing the demand.
    A combination of criminalization (for the johns, not the prostitutes) and campaigns that aim to show the clear link between women trafficking and prostitution should put some sort of dent in that. I would like to believe that at least some of the men would stop if they clearly realized how they are complicit merely by increasing the demand.
     
  16. Matt in the Hat

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    Or the exact opposite. Legalize prostitution completely and have strict enforcement of it, including blood testing and verification of where these women come from and how they got here. The demand has never and will never change. It's juvenile to pretend that human nature can be bucked.

    Let's also get in the habit of not shaming or feeling sorry for those that sell sex services. What a batty world we live in that you can pay someone to rub your neck and that's totally legit, but when they rub your cock it's a crime against humanity.
     
  17. Belgian guy

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    I think the point of soccernutter's post was more aimed at the idea that the notion of the "happy hooker" is largely a fantasy. It might be a reality for some, but they are a small minority.
     
  18. Belgian guy

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    We have some version of what you describe. It doesn't work. Or rather, it only creates the illusion of respectability.
    In reality the same people are running the show, only they are far less visible.
     
  19. Matt in the Hat

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    Probably for the same reason why you don't have the happy drug dealer or the happy cockfighter. Until the profession is legitimized, you are going to attract almost exclusively damaged people to it. And where it is legit, you do have the happy hooker. Just watch any episode of Cathouse.
     
  20. Matt in the Hat

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    Some version does not equal full legalization.
     
  21. Belgian guy

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    It has been legalized here and people in the know like Patsy Sorensen claim that not much of substance has changed in the day to day reality of the women. The neighborhoods from where they operate might look slightly nicer, and the pimps are less visible, but they are still around.
     
  22. Matt in the Hat

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    Do you have to register your pimps there?
     
  23. Belgian guy

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    Aug 19, 2002
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    Prostitution is legal, pimping (or any exploitative action related to prostitution) is not.
     

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