Rape/Sexual Assault Culture - Part 2

Well, I was using it more as a 'catch-all' phrase but, yes. It certainly doesn't indicate a great deal of maturity, (emotional or otherwise), to act like a child around other people, including women.

 

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Er... not sure where you're going with that one but, OK!

 

How much of the increase in abusive and misogynistic behavior towards (young) women can be attributed to a general 'pornification' of the culture can be a matter of debate, but there are certain trends for which it is pretty clear imho.

e.g. this:
https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/sex-...s/news-story/1e7a6eece414693dd0e8702b8e311016

Tate & co are just capitalizing on a pre-existing movement (mostly incels). Out of self-enrichment, not because they actually believe their own ideologies (at least that's how I perceive it).
Grifting young men out of their money for his "courses" is probably no different to him than the Romanian women he forced into sexual slavery.

 

Well, yeah. You didn't say any of that and just said the guys think the girls are 'only doing it' to be in porn, thus my confusion.

Anyway, moving on

 

That's a political committee with an agenda. I doubt that it is the least bit data driven. I pay that stuff as much attention as I would statements from a Christian group about the moral damage done by pre-marital sex.

If violence against women is the topic I have about 1,000 movies and TV shows we can discuss.​

That could be a legit problem. Certainly worth discussing.​

Sure, but women being portrayed as sex objects is a FAR larger issue than pornography. I just watched a YouTube video with the Marvel cast doing interviews. The male actors get good questions and ScarJo gets questions about her body. That ain't porn. If you removed porn from our society, I doubt that would change. There was no porn 75 years ago and women were at least as objectified as they are now. Probably more.

I deplore people who treat women as sex objects, outside of the times and places were sex is in fact the point, and much more than deplore sexual violence. If I thought that eliminating porn would solve even half the problem of sexual violence, I would be fine with banning porn. But I'm not going to be in favor of that solution if it's proposed by people who don't like porn and are seeking reasons to justify their dislike.

 

I think, at the very least, we should be looking at some strong evidence before moving in that direction.

Intuitively it seems to make sense but then a lot of things have changed over the period that hardcore porn has been more readily available in the 15-20 years of the rise of the internet. We can't just pick and choose what we want to believe based solely on an apparent connection between two pieces of information.

That's how you end up with this sort of thing...

Braverman’s claim about ethnicity of grooming gangs was false, regulator rules
Mail on Sunday issues correction over opinion piece by home secretary claiming ‘almost all’ child grooming gangs were British-Pakistani

Like most things Braverman and the hate-mail say, it's a lot more complicated than that...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096

So the idea that something 'seems to make sense' isn't necessarily a good reason to pass new laws.

 

I can.

 

There are also guys who believe that Bert Convy was the reincarnation of Edmund Burke, too.

 

Bert Convy the game show host?

 

Is there another?

 

Edmund Burke the political philosopher?

 

a 4-min podcast:

Antarctic base bans booze in bars

The main US base in Antarctica has two bars, and come Sunday, they will stop serving alcohol. The National Science Foundation said the change at McMurdo Station is about morale and welfare.

 

What about him?

 

Just trying to make sure I understand the connection

 

Oh, far more interesting from the perspective of baking your own noodle are the people who essentially think The Matrix is a docu-drama.

 

That's an excellent article. Inevitably, when one looks in detail at popular discussions of pretty much any sex-related topic, one finds what this writer did.

1) There isn't much hard evidence. These topics are difficult to study, because the data are largely unavailable.
2) The first point hasn't stopped those with strong views from seizing upon items that support their view and arguing that the matter has in fact been proven.

 

Surely, he was referring to the Edmund Burke who played on the left wing for Arsenal back in the 60's.

 

The one he's referring to played on the right wing.

 

Well played.

 

I'm saying I haven't seen any clear evidence that it has, and in that absence there are many other things that I worry about far far more. The facts that some people *think* it's very important, or that there exist young males who think young females want to be porn stars, are unpersuasive.