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Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ooh - I remember that. Fortunately I was on vacation but I remember many of my friends being furious.... to be honest, they've upped their game quite a bit since then... they even give people their assigned seats now. But that is one piece of advice, do arrive at the stadium early.
     
  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has anyone heard any update on the intercontinental playoffs?

    Since there's no worldwide prelim draw like in previous editions, and now with 4 months between the end of continental WCQ and the playoffs as opposed to the normal 1, there's nothing stopping FIFA from simply waiting until December 2021 to do the playoff draw.

    If anything, since this will be the last time the playoffs are in the current format, FIFA could just innovate and have the four teams play a round-robin in Qatar in March 2022. The South American side may object to missing out on revenue from their home game, but everyone else would be thrilled to have their WCQ chances not boil down to whether they drew the Conmebol short straw.
     
  3. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    SF North Bay
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #3553 Hayaka, Dec 12, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2019
    The CONMEBOL playoff team should play a UEFA team. Has there ever been that matchup for a World Cup slot?

    Edit: Answering my own question-1978 World Cup qualifying Bolivia-Hungary (won by Hungary), and 1974 qualifying Chile-USSR (won by Chile in a walkover when the Soviets refused to play in Chile's National Stadium because of its role in the Pinochet coup two months earlier).
     
  4. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Combining your idea with Paul Calixte’s, why not just give UEFA 13.5 and CAF 4.5 so everyone has one playoff spot and just have a 6-team mini-tournament for the last three WC spots? Then we can stop this whole debate about who gets what confed in the playoffs.

    Find some way to squeeze three matches into the March 2022 window, and you could have 2 groups of 3. Group winners qualify. Runners-up playoff for the final spot. If you do a draw based on FIFA rankings, you would probably get something like this (just picking some random but realistic teams):

    Group A: Uruguay, Egypt, New Zealand
    Group B: Ireland, Jamaica, Uzbekistan

    Obviously there’s still some luck of the draw element involved, but you’re playing two or three matches against two or three different teams instead of twice against the same team.
     
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  5. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    SF North Bay
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    My problem with that approach is you would very likely have both the CONMEBOL and UEFA teams qualify, meaning one less slot for the other confederations I would rather UEFA and CONMEBOL go head to head, with one being eliminated.

    Of course, this will matter less after 2022, because with 48 qualifiers beginning in 2026, all the confeds will likely be adequately represented.
     
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  6. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    You may think that is the case, but I'm betting that we will be having arguments about representation as soon as 2026 is over for the 2030 world cup.
     
  7. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    That's four matchdays. :D
     
  8. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Ah... I forgot about the byes in the three-team groups.
     
  9. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When it was 4 teams going into the continental playoffs, I always thought it would have been cool to have a little 4-team mini-round robin between those teams to see who qualifies. You could have rotated the host team to each confederation (ie one year, South America host it, next Asia, etc.) or just had it in a neutral site or the host nation of the WC itself. For instance, last year you would have had Peru, Australia, New Zealand and Honduras in the playoff... the year before would have been Jordan, Mexico, NZ, Uruguay and before that Bahrain, NZ, Urugay, Costa Rica and etc.....
     
  10. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/...s-to-take-centre-stage-in-south-america-and-a is titled "FIFA World Cup 2022 qualifiers: draws to take centre stage in South America and Africa." CONMEBOL will make their schedule on Tuesday 17 December. CAF will do their Group Stage draw on Tuesday 21 January. It says "With 136 out of 900 FIFA World Cup 2022™ qualifying matches having already been played." 136 includes when Macau forfeited for not going to Sri Lanka.

    AFC: 46 teams
    Round 1: 6 two leg series to eliminate 6 teams and leave 40 teams: 12 games
    Round 2: 8 groups of 5 with 20 games per group: 160 games
    Round 3: 2 groups of 6 with 30 games per group: 60 games
    Round 4: Two leg series between third place teams: 2 games
    Total: 234 games

    CAF: 54 teams
    Round 1: 14 two leg series to eliminate 14 teams and leave 40 teams: 28 games
    Round 2: 10 groups of 4 with 12 games per group: 120 games
    Round 3: 5 two leg series to qualify 5 teams and eliminate 5 teams: 10 games
    Total: 158 games

    Concacaf: 35 teams and two paths
    Hexagonal for the Top 6: 30 games
    Bottom 29- 5 groups of 4 with 12 games per group: 60 games
    Bottom 29: 3 groups of 3 with 6 games per group: 18 games
    8 group winners Quarterfinals: 4 two leg series: 8 games
    8 group winners Semifinals: 2 two leg series: 4 games
    8 group winners Final: 1 two leg series: 2 games
    Playoff between Hexagonal fourth place and 8 group winners Final winner: 1 two leg series: 2 games
    Total: 124 games

    CONMEBOL's 1 group of 10: 90 games

    UEFA: 55 teams
    5 groups of 6 with 30 games per group: 150 games
    5 groups of 5 with 20 games per group: 100 games
    10 second place teams and 2 teams from the Nations League will be made into 3 brackets of 4, with Semifinals and Final done in 1 game with a home team with 3 games per bracket: 9 games
    Total: 259 games

    Interconfederational Playoffs: 2 two leg series: 4 games

    Total without OFC: 234+158+124+90+259+4 = 869
    Based on that, OFC should have 31 games. Last cycle they had 32 games. Round 2 was the OFC Nations Cup, which reduced the amount of WCQ teams from 8 to 6. I included the Group Stage but excluded the Semifinals and Final because they were irrelevant to qualification.
     
  11. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    31 game might be scheduled this way:

    I read somewhere they want all teams to take part in finals. So, 11 teams in three groups (4+4+3). That's 15 matches. Eight teams progress. That's another four QF matches. Winners progress to semis (as you mention, that it irrelevant for quals) and to WCQ final stage where they play each other twice in a four-team group. That's another six matches. Winner progress to ICP.

    15 + 4 + 12 = 31
     
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  12. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    When they reduce it back to 32 because a 48 team tournament has lower ratings and higher costs.
     
  13. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    One reason play-offs should not be groups. Also single elimination games are more exciting than play-offs, and easier to follow.
     
  14. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  15. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll give you rep for that possibility. It would be more fair than making 4 teams (automatically the same teams each time, not based on the FIFA Rankings) compete in a group to have 1 of them join the other 7.
     
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  16. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.fifa.com/news/2020-diary-olympics-u17wwc-u20wwc says the OFC Nations Cup will be from 6-20 June. Considering that the format hasn't been announced, OFC probably won't play WCQs before then. If OFC wants to play WCQs in March they need to make a format and draw. If dinamo_zagreb's guess is correct, seven OFC teams will be eliminated in June. 23 AFC teams will be eliminated in March or June. Of the 40 teams playing, 4 have been eliminated, 12 will advance, 1 is Qatar who will not play in the next round, and 23 will be eliminated in this round. Of the 211 FIFA members, 187 are alive, so it will be down to 157 by June.
     
  17. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    I saw on another forum that they will use 2016 OFC cup format (4 teams in prelim tournament followed by 8-team finals) and that NZL will be represented by mostly U23 players to use the opportunity as a 2020 Olympics warm-up (no pressure on the team as there is no more Confed Cup).
     
  18. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    P.S. But they (OFC heads) want to have all its members to start the WCQ in same round/stage (they want to overhaul each competition actually with Nations League planned).
     
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  19. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
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  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    So...
    ...with how things are developing in the middle east and abroad...

    ...and how Qatar and Iran seem to be bed buddies politically...

    ...any opinions?

    (I know they are saying everything is okay at FIFA and in Qatar. Noting to see here, blah, blah, blah.)

    [​IMG]
     
  21. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Nothing is going to happen with Iran. The US killed a prominent representative of the Islamic regime (which I'm okay with). Iran is obviously pissed. They attacked the US base in Iraq (after giving forewarning) for domestic propaganda purposes.

    The shooting of the Ukrainian plane is more problematic (ironically most of those killed were Iranian or presumably of Iranian descent - there were a lot of people listed as Canadians in the casualty count), but I believe that it was accidental. I don't like the Islamic Republic, but they had no incentive to shoot down a civilian plane, much less one from a random European country and where most of those on board were their own people.

    Iran is rational. Say what you want about their ideology (and I have a lot to say about that, believe me), but they have somehow kept power for four decades now. They obviously understand what they need to do to survive.

    And despite all the fearmongering from Iran sympathizers about John Bolton, neocons, blah blah blah, we're now three years into the Trump administration and only in the last few weeks have we finally seen this very calculated escalation.

    There will be no war. The World Cup will be played in Qatar as planned (for better or worse).

    Alright. Now let's all go back to complaining about Qatar's bribes and how this World Cup was supposed to be played in the US.
     
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  22. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Back to the football, here's the post I made in the Africa forum a few days ago about the CAF WC qualifiers:

     
  23. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I am not going to argue against any of this or the political side of things
    I will say that we already have countries within the area that hate Qatar and have enforced a blockade of their travel, airspace and other resources.
    Now we have flights being warned not to even go to the area and change their routes, especially flights from the USA.
    The USA even had their U23 training camp cancelled and sent everyone home. And that is just for a measly youth camp.

    With the centuries of instability in the region I think there is a 50-50 shot things will get worse, not better (and definitely not safer).
    But we shall see. Everyone as of right now at FIFA is saying everything is rainbows and lollipops in the region.
     
  24. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    I dont think things will be better by 2022 than they are now. Especially if Trump gets re elected.
     
  25. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Not sure about this.
    Facts are Trump has used less military force than any first term president since the Jimmy Carter administration.

    But whatever,
    This is a non politics thread.
     
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