Qatar 2022: News and Analysis Only!

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  1. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From the last thread:

    This thread will be strictly moderated, to prevent the problems that plagued the last two from happening again.
     
  2. atomicbloke

    atomicbloke Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Berkeley, CA
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    I know its more than 11 years away, but I am already excited about Qatar 2022.

    I think that despite all odds, and everyone's ill-wishes, Qatar is going to pull it off, and stage a World Cup for the ages.

    That will set an enormous precedent, which will allow other smaller nations to also submit bids and successfully host World Cups. It will truly bring the "World" in the World Cup, and along with the donation of stadiums, this will be the lasting legacy of the World Cup.
     
  3. Deathstar

    Deathstar Member

    Apr 5, 2009
    Syd Er Knee
    Club:
    Central Coast Mariners
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Qatar is both a physically small country and with a small population. The weather is also an issue.

    Will part of the legacy be to distribute the hotels that might need to be built to accommodate fans be to make them demountables and then distribute them around the region?
     
  4. atomicbloke

    atomicbloke Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Berkeley, CA
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    ^

    It is surrounded by water on 3 sides, so not all accommodation will have to be conventional. This is going to be a very unique world cup experience, and some of the possibilities are mind boggling.
     
  5. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Lets all hope that at least some of those drawings become reality.
     
  6. --X--

    --X-- New Member

    Feb 8, 2010
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Everything I have seen over the past 12 months indicates a 5 star World Cup-5 star stadiums,5 star accommodation,6 star pricing
    This will be an amazing experience for the super rich that aren't afraid of the immense opportunities for terrorism attacks,and don't care for the lack of atmosphere.
    They will get to see 20-40 matches each and will get unparalleled access but it will be a plastic experience that could change the way we see the world cup forever.
    Why would FIFA shut the door on the masses who clearly won't have the money to support their National team

    Extremely sad
     
  7. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    I just want to see the air conditioned seats. That will be cool:eek:
     
  8. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've removed a series of posts that were trending toward the same aimless back and forth over non-issues we had in the last thread.
     
  9. Timanfaya

    Timanfaya Member

    May 31, 2005
    Southampton
    Damn, I missed them.
     
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  10. UnionFreak1

    UnionFreak1 Member+

    Oct 14, 2009
    Tucson, Baja AZ
    Club:
    FC Tucson
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The one thing that makes this WC look better than the US hosting it is traveling across the country. Since its basically the size of Rhode Island, you will be able to travel the city by car in less than an hour, not half a day drives like in South Africa. If anybody wants to know what this experience is like, there is already a city with these types of accommodations. Phoenix, AZ hosts 15 MLB teams at 10 different facilities across the city. Now I know its not having crowds of +60k attending each game, but its the closest example you can have.
    Also, with these being all new stadiums, I can see them being built like New Meadowlands. Extremely nice and luxurious for the rich and lower sections, and next to nothing for the upper sections.
    Last, I am more concerned about the hotels being built in Qatar then the stadiums being built. Are american and international companies looking at building hotels around the country for the fans, or are they looking at just building the JW's and Ritz Carlton's.
     
  11. --X--

    --X-- New Member

    Feb 8, 2010
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    I personally don't think there will be any problems with the ammount of accomodation.The obvious intent is to make this a rich mans world cup.This means a record low ammount of unique ticket holders.As we saw with the total disregard for the maximum number of stadia in 1 city,we also saw the ticket limits get thrown away as well.
    Qatar won't have to build the promised ammount of beds because they will have far less people in town going to an incredible number of matches.This is the easiest solution to security concerns-if numbers are low then there is less to worry about

    But how does this help FIFA's average punter,the ones that go week in,week out??
    We will never be able to afford this
     
  12. Michael2010

    Michael2010 New Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Football Produces for Qatar PR Fiasco Rather than PR Boon

    Two major sports events in recent months were intended to anchor Qatar’s image as a global sports hub and demonstrate its mastery in hosting major sporting events. It didn’t quite work out that way. Months after "winning" its bid to host the 2022 World Cup and serving as the venue for the Asian Cup, Qatar’s World Cup bid campaign is under scrutiny and the Asian Cup barely passed muster.

    http://www.playthegame.org/news/det...qatar-pr-fiasco-rather-than-pr-boon-5135.html
     
  13. UnionFreak1

    UnionFreak1 Member+

    Oct 14, 2009
    Tucson, Baja AZ
    Club:
    FC Tucson
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    how much were tickets to those two events?
     
  14. --X--

    --X-- New Member

    Feb 8, 2010
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    You could get tickets to any Asian Cup match ,including the final for $20.Children were almost free,even to the final.
    This still didn't help them get a large ammount of unique ticket buyers
    People forget that there is such a small population of Qatari's.Only 70,000 Qatari's were taxpayers last financial year:eek:
     
  15. Makandal

    Makandal Member

    Apr 21, 2007
    Cambridge, MA (USA)
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Haiti
    This article's intro made it sound like the Asian Cup was a disaster that brought doubt into Qatar hosting the World Cup, but when you read the whole article, it turns out to be a bunch of non-football things that has little to do with the organization of the Asian Cup or the World Cup in Qatar.
     
  16. atomicbloke

    atomicbloke Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Berkeley, CA
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Qatar has more than a decade, and unlimited wealth to prepare for the World Cup.

    It's silly to think that the World Cup will be anything like the Asian Cup, which was held just a few weeks after winning the bid.
     
  17. --X--

    --X-- New Member

    Feb 8, 2010
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Why?Same forces at play
    There was no lack of money,tickets were almost free,yet no one went-except for a few games including the final where thousands of Indians were paid $7 US to go dressed in a dishdash
    It reinforced the deficiencies in the original decision.Why should the world's biggest sport with over 130 million registered players and over 4 billion people that take an interest in the game ,endure a private world cup for the extremely small local population (only 70,000 Qatari's paid tax last year,thats how small the population is)

    Qatar will only build 8 stadiums at most,and won't even try to reach the accomodation targets promised in the bid book.Less people equals more tickets for the QLOC and MATCH
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  19. Makandal

    Makandal Member

    Apr 21, 2007
    Cambridge, MA (USA)
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Haiti
    You surely are not comparing attendance and interest at the World Cup and the Asian Cup. We are talking about the Asian Cup here... the tournament that no one in the Western world paid attention to prior to the results of 2022 WC host election.
     
  20. UnionFreak1

    UnionFreak1 Member+

    Oct 14, 2009
    Tucson, Baja AZ
    Club:
    FC Tucson
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Gold Cup draws more than the Asian Cup
     
  21. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Maybe in CONCACAF, it does, but not in AFC.

    For the rest of the world, they are both important only for their respective Conferences, but of a least meaningful value for the rest, as no one of them will show a future WC true candidate playing in them.

    How to relate all of this, to the Qatar 2022 : news and analysis, is something I can`t really get.
    :p
     
  22. --X--

    --X-- New Member

    Feb 8, 2010
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Oh yes I am.One of the big selling points for tiny Qatar was the enormous Arab population in surrounding countries.
    Still no one went.

    It will be a 6 star MATCH extravaganza.The 80,000 corporates and rich that do bother will get unparalled access and the opportunity to see up to 40 matches each.
    Where the hell does that leave the worlds average football supporter that would normally give his right nut to watch his country???
     
  23. Makandal

    Makandal Member

    Apr 21, 2007
    Cambridge, MA (USA)
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Haiti
    It will leave them in front of their TV where since the introduction of TV money in the game (in case you have not noticed), the powers that be have been pushing the average fans. The last WC was not for your average fan to attend in person, the WC in 2006, 2002, and so on were not for your average fans to attend to in person... World Cup attendance hasn't been been geared towards your average fan for decades now. It has and awill continue to cost more and more to attend. Whether it happens in Qatar, the United States or Australia, you would have to pay an arm and a leg (or take a loan) to attend or be a rich person.
     
  24. DestroyerDaMarc

    Dec 8, 2005
    New York
    Club:
    Newcastle Jets
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd agree with you if you were looking at the inflation of prices and not the inflation of salaries. If we were to get incremental salary increases with the amount of prices that have increased; we wouldn't be worried. But the issue is it has not happened so its less to do with people paying more but people taking salary cuts in order to continue working while a good or service does not have that tinted-glass to look through.
     
  25. UnionFreak1

    UnionFreak1 Member+

    Oct 14, 2009
    Tucson, Baja AZ
    Club:
    FC Tucson
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am trying to say a non soccer crazed country, the US, just like Qatar, draws more for the Gold Cup than the Asian Cup.
     

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