I think I have the pts right for this calculation. PSV sits with 9. They have to asume Panathinaikos will beat Rosenborg. That will give Panathinaikos 8 pts and playing PSV the last game. Panathinaikos will have to play to win to get 11 pts and pass PSV. So a PSV tie with Arsenal does nothing to safeguard the Dutch side's situation. 9 pts or 10 it won't make any difference to Panathinaikos. Further if Arsenal ties PSV that gives the Gunner's 7. One assumes they can beat Rosenborg at home. So they end up with 10 and pass PSV on head to head (I assume that's the tie breaker) No wonder Gus, Cocu and other players stated the Panathinaikos/Arsenal tie this Tuesday did nothing for them. PSV is forced into playing attacking soccer against Arsenal. A win is the only good thing they can get. A tie does nothing to take the pressure off the last game. So it should be entertaining. I wonder what Gus will come up with? The "D"has looked good at home, but he needs goals. Maybe Sol will still be out and Cygan can gift Gus's troops a few points.