Protecting Players

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by VolklP19, May 4, 2023.

  1. illinisoccer

    illinisoccer Member

    Aug 15, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    Hugh school coaches are mandated reporters so the assistant coach would legally be required to report any sort of abuse
     
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  2. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    WHo mandates them to do that?
     
  3. CornfieldSoccer

    Aug 22, 2013
  4. illinisoccer

    illinisoccer Member

    Aug 15, 2005
    Chicago, IL
  5. bluechicago

    bluechicago Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As illini mentioned above, if you work with kids, you are required to report. I actually reported a case of abuse between two adults in my professional life/career because I was concerned as a mandatory reporter due to my coaching that I could be held accountable, better safe than sorry. The police determined it was consensual, but I am not risking it.
     
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  6. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    This is good to know but I am not so sure it would work. It did not at Eclipse - yes that's not high school, but that's not to say that something similar cannot happen in high school.
     
  7. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    Wait a second, you don't think having mandatory reporters (and it's not just Illinois, other states have them also) would work, but you want an anonymous webpage with AI deciding if the report is valid?

    How about this... the organizing body (whether national, regional, state, or local) requires clubs to have a designated hierarchy for reporting suspected abuse. That could be DoC, a Board member, then the entire board. Then they also include a designated person(s) in the organizing body, and that flows all the way up. Anyone who wants to report suspected abuse can go do so at any level. Then each report must be investigated, with a written document on what the investigation did, and what what the findings were?

    So, let's say a club does have a culture of such abuse. Then someone should be able to report to someone at the state level.

    Yes, we should protect kids. But I think there also needs to be a concern for false accusations.
     
  8. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member+

    Money Grab FC
    Apr 26, 2012
    Like a club ombusdperson position?
     
  9. illinisoccer

    illinisoccer Member

    Aug 15, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    The eclipse issue was multifaceted. The players and parents did not report and accepted the behavior because they thought a scholarship was worth it. The coaches likely feared for their livelihood. This lead to no investigations occuring that could have held those other coaches liable for not reporting. All it would have taken was one of those staff members to have some courage.
     
  10. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Other coaches at the Eclipse joined in on the abuse. Coaches who were known abusers were also brought in. So absolutely not - in the case of Eclipse, would that have been effective.

    AI does not investigate the report - it makes sure the report is made by a real person and not a ham sandwich. It validates that there is a club - in that city and state and that the report has key words and so on that can validate. The report doesn't have to be perfect. It's sole use it to present a pattern of multiple reports on a single coach for a A/D or DOC to review. It's complete up to them what to do with it.

    I think mandatory reporters are fantastic - but I have yet too see another Eclipse coach terminated. They all knew what was happening for years and other coaches outside of Eclipse knew it for more then a decade. If mandated reporting worked, a lot of people would have been gone or reprimanded.
     
  11. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Totally agree but that is so because it got to a level beyond where I am thinking it could have potentially been recognized if there was a tool in place. This is the path which gave us Larry Nassar for example - not quite to that extent but if let on long enough...
     
  12. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    I think what you're missing in the "mandatory reporting" scenario is SCHOOL employees are mandatory reporters. I don't think that any soccer club coaches are required by law (unless their "day job" has it) to be mandatory reporters. Maybe all youth coaches should be.
     
  13. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member+

    Money Grab FC
    Apr 26, 2012
    My state soccer org has every adult involved with a youth club as a mandatory reporter. For physical/sexual abuse they need to notify police, state child welfare line, club, state org, ussf, us center for safe sport. For emotional abuse they should notify the club point person and the state org.

    I think that flows from the state gov, ie they looked up if their policy has legal standing, but I was leaving the club admin side of things just as they were revising the policy..
     
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  14. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    It's really not where I am going though. I think it's important to give players an opportunity to report.
     
  15. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    Totally agree. I'm just not sure anonymously is the best way to do it.
     
  16. NotCrazySoccerMom

    United States
    Mar 26, 2023
    I appreciate you starting a dialogue around this topic. Any attention and effort towards the development of a system that protects kids from abuse is a good thing. Its obvious there is a need for it in youth sports.

    Just trying to think through the anonymous piece, wondering how that would work. If you got an anonymous report of some abuse, what would be the next step?
     
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  17. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    That is a good question and something a AD/DOC could determine. Multiple reports from multiple players about a coach may be justification enough for action. It would have helped in the case of Eclipse. That is really what I am going after because we do not want a repeat of that. I know it's happening at other clubs and a few high schools today. The players who are adversely impacted by abuse before something gets done - if anything, are the ones I am trying to fight for here.
     
  18. NotCrazySoccerMom

    United States
    Mar 26, 2023
    I read through an earlier post where you broke down some of the initial steps that would determine how to address the report, who would be responsible for what, etc. I definitely think you are on to something; thinking in the right direction.

    One problem with the anonymous reporting ( as in no identified victim) is that is not a great/problematic position to be in for anyone involved, especially the victim. What if you have an anonymous report that a coach might be sexually abusing a player for example but you have no victim. How do you sit on that? If you have no victim to verify the abuse how would you stop it? You can't necessarily remove a coach if you can't prove that something like that is occurring and the than there is the issue of false reporting. I suppose even when you have actual victims identified it can take years to create a case against someone.

    I don't know about Eclipse as much..... other than what I have read. With say Larry Nasser or even that Penn State nightmare, the problem wasn't with people/victims not speaking up, it was the deliberate negligence on a systematic level. Those institutions ignored the reports and obviously cared more about greed/ winning, etc. than the victims. Common sense would tell you that you might be open to huge liability, if as an organization, you neglected to act on reports, and that was obviously not a deterrent.

    In the case of Eclipse, you think that if parents/ players had more ability to speak up it would have stopped it?
     
  19. NotCrazySoccerMom

    United States
    Mar 26, 2023
    I did an online training for my job today and it made me think of this conversation. There is a lot of training out there that could be applied to the youth sports setting.


    Psychological safety: Feeling comfortable asking a question, raising a concern or making a decision, without the fear that something bad or negative is going to happen.

    Dangers of low psychological safety

    • Dangerous silence: people who are aware of the risks of a situation do not dare to speak up for fear of being called out or punished for it.
    • Fear of failure: people are more focused on avoiding failure than using it as a learning opportunity to improve and innovate. Also, people tend to make more mistakes that could have been avoided if psychological safety levels would have been high.
     
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  20. StrikerMom

    StrikerMom Member

    Sep 25, 2014
    As much as I love that sports has been a big part of my children's life - girls/women sports is not really a healthy environment at most levels after under littlies. Even park team coaches play favorites and have players that are just insecure, mean individuals. And women coaches even at higher levels often act immature or like dictators and treat the bench like second class citizens. Potentially damaging for a player's mental health.

    Overall, my children have had a great experience with only a couple of toxic coaches over the last 15 years, but one of them really destroyed my player's confidence. It took a couple of years to bounce back. Consider yourself blessed if your player has always been in healthy, competitive environments. And make it a priority when selecting teams by asking former players/parents their experience.
     
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