Predictions: Which CL Game Will ESPN show on Dec.8?

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by MiamiAce, Nov 24, 2004.

  1. MiamiAce

    MiamiAce New Member

    Jan 12, 2004
    Miami, USA
    Deportivo vs Monaco
    Liverpool vs Olympiacos
    Leverkusen vs Dynamo Kyiv
    Roma vs Real Madrid
    Ajax Amsterdam vs Bayern
    M. Tel-Aviv vs Juventus
    Fenerbahçe vs Man. United
    Lyon vs Sparta Prague


    These are the games scheduled for Wednesday Dec. 8th of Champions League. Oddly enough, a Tuesday match will not be shown this time around, ESPN decided to pull a match from the Wednesday lineups. The Tuesday matchup of Porto vs Chelsea would have been SWEET to watch considering the circumstances. I'm not sure what the buffoons at ESPN2 will show this time, I realize that they have only shown Real Madrid or Manchester United matches, but I really doubt they would want to show a repeat of Roma vs Real Madrid, and I don't really see them showing a match from Turkey (Fener vs Man Utd), however the latter is possible. Out of the Wednesday lineup, I would like to see Liverpool vs Olympiacos considering its a do-or-die match for both teams and I'm curious in watching Rivaldo playing with his Greek team.

    What is your prediction of what ESPN will show on Dec 8th? Will they make another sorry decision of which game to show?

    To find out when they decide the next game Click Here (ESPN site). Click on the top link and use the Calendar on the right to navigate to Dec 8 within ESPN 2 (click "Complete Listings" on bottom column of 'ESPN2'.
     
  2. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    THe idiots at ESPN will show the Roma v. Madrid game. Disapointed? You should be! Shocked? You shouldn't be, this is only the fourth time we've seen Madrid play this season and the fifth spanish side out of six games. Pathetic? Absolutley!
     
  3. DAGSports

    DAGSports New Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Whichever game is deemed "#1" for either the South America or Australia market will be the one shown. The "#2" game involving a Spain/Italy side will air live on ESPN Deportes, while the "#2" game involving an EPL side will air live on Setanta.

    However, it is unlikely that the "#1" game will involve Liverpool because Liverpool sells to pubs, so Setanta will likely carry that one. Man U obviously being the second, delayed game at your local Setanta pub.

    I'd be surprised if it wasn't Roma v. Real Madrid or Leverkusen v. Dynamo Kiev, both of which are actually meaningful games.
     
  4. Icarus_222

    Icarus_222 New Member

    Jun 13, 2004
    Toronto
    IT will be Madrid for sure. It always is. If I see another Madrid or Dynamo Kyiv match I'm gonna vomit.

    I'd rather watch Liverpool vs Olympiacos because it is a very important match, and/or Ajax Amsterdam vs Bayern.
     
  5. paulocesar

    paulocesar Member

    Oct 4, 2000
    How can they show Roma vs Real Madrid when it is going to be with no fans at the stadium? That will give the worst viewing atmosphere EVER for the Champions League...which claims to show prestigious games.

    No....my money is on Fenerbahce vs Manure...Setanta or no Setanta (hell, that's what they did this week for Manure vs Lyon...so who knows...maybe they might show Liverpool vs Olympiakos...but probably not)
     
  6. BSjanitor

    BSjanitor Member

    Jun 11, 2004
    ESPN will show Roma vs Real Madrid because RM is still depending on a win there to go through and that game is no good for pubs. If they've gone sensical, then you silly ESPN subscribers will see Leverkusen vs Kiyv, which is basically a playoff match and if one team goes ahead on the score, the other will have to chase after the result.
     
  7. maturin

    maturin Member

    Jun 8, 2004
    I don't think they'll show Roma-Real simply because an empty stadium is not the image UEFA wants to project, especially to an American audience. I'd like to see Ajax-Bayern, but my money's on Man U-Fenehrbache
     
  8. radharani108

    radharani108 New Member

    Jun 4, 2004
    Hawaii

    why would anyone want to see Ajax-Bayern? Bayern will field a 2nd string team and Ajax just sucks.

    Clearly Leverkusen-Kiev is a great game and so is Liverpool-Olympiakos
     
  9. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I would have liked to see Valencia v Bremen in tuesday over all of these matches. The best match will be Leverkusen v Kiev, but my gut says ESPN will show the meaningless match between Fenerbahce and Manu.
     
  10. angulo

    angulo Red Card

    Aug 14, 2004
    yes I hope they show wender bremen vs valencia!

    Is going to decide who goes on and who stays!

    good match, I hope vicente recovers soon.
     
  11. Visca...

    Visca... Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    ATL
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Remember, UEFA can't decide what ESPN US will show. And since the boys up at Bristol are ignorants and don't know jack about football, the fans, and the atmosphere, well guess what? That's exactly what they'll show:

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tv/listing?date=20041208&cc=5901

    AS Roma vs. Real Madrid Wednesday 2:45 p.m. ESPN2 Live from the empty Stadio Olimpico in Rome

    It'll be boring on one side because there won't be any tifosi and fans to support and chant for their teams. Important on the other side because of the game itself. The putos play out their chances to qualify against a Roma side that come from a good win and that I'm pretty sure will want to end their Champions League season in a high: Eliminating Real Madrid!!! :D
     
  12. paulocesar

    paulocesar Member

    Oct 4, 2000
    I suggest bombard ESPN with emails regarding how stupid they will be if they show that game. (As if they are not trying to help the sport... :rolleyes: , a match with no fans watching will surely feed the fire of haters)

    :mad:
     
  13. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Geez, are you interested in the game or the stadium atmosphere?

    This is an important game, one that decides whether Real will advance or not. How idiotic can you people get? just because it's Real Madrid it's automatically a stupid decision?

    You guys are obviously no fan of CL football...
     
  14. jorywea

    jorywea New Member

    Aug 23, 2004
    hopfully madrid will go out the valencia bremen match or porto chelsea for tuesday showing is much better
     
  15. Visca...

    Visca... Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    ATL
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    The atmosphee in the stadium is very important in a football match. But no doubt that the intense game will make this worth to watch and will make us forget about the stupidity of roma fans.
     
  16. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Yeah. Hate to admit it, but the storyline of Real Madrid and it's multi-million dollar stars possibly being knocked-out of the tournament is too good for ESPN2 to pass up to the general American public. :(
     
  17. paulocesar

    paulocesar Member

    Oct 4, 2000
    Take away the fans at an old firm derby and you take away a significant portion of that match.

    You would at least think that Rangers fans would agree...aparently not :rolleyes: You are obviously no fan of football.....period.

    (just when did ESPN become the Real Madrid channel anyways??? Matchday 1 Bayer-Madrid, Matchday 2 Madrid-Roma, Matchday 3 Madrid-Kiev, Matchday 4 Barca-Milan, Matchday 5 ManUtd-Lyon, Matchday 6 Roma-Madrid!!!...enough of the merengues!!)
     
  18. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    If you are watching the game live, probably yes.

    Is Real Madrid playing Roma or Celtic playing Rangers in an American stadium? Do you attend that game in person in an empty stadium?

    We are watching a signal beamed from half the globe away. Whether it has fans on the stands are not the utmost important, the game itself is.

    To me, it's totally irrelevant, because I usually turn the sounds down as I watch 3-4 CL games simultaneously.

    Of course not, because stadium atmosphere means absolutely nothing to me. How can you watch 3-4 games, let it be basketball, football, hockey or, soccer, or a combination of them, simultaneously in a stadium?

    I can at home, using 3-4 TVs and 3-4 VCRs/glorified PVRs, muting all sounds. That's how I watch ball games.

    At least I watch more games than you guys do...
     
  19. paulocesar

    paulocesar Member

    Oct 4, 2000
    "Probably yes!?!?!" How about a straight answer- ABSOLUTELY. And don't give me this rubbish that if you are watching the game on tv, that the crowd atmosphere isn't part of the appeal of the game. That is why the Premiership, though arguably not the best league in the world (I'd argue La Liga is, but that's a different topic), is considered by many as the most entertaining to watch league, mainly fed off by the roar of the fans in the stands.

    Well that's stating the obvious, thank you. Next you will be telling me that it isn't about whether they win or lose, its how they play the game. :rolleyes:

    Look, you are blaringly obviously correct that the result of the match is what is most important, but purists of the sport love the game because it is a spectacle to behold from start to finish. Whether you like it or not, the fans help bring passion and life to the game, making the Roma-Real match likely to be given the most dreary of atmospheres. And to have MANY games that are critical on the same matchday with full stands makes the decision by ESPN foolhardy at best, arrogantly against promoting the sport in a positive way in the U.S. at worst.

    And dont reply back with the contrite argument that I'm blowing this out of proportion. Football in the U.S. has a terrible reputation as a hooligan loving, immigrant supporting, pansy ass sport played by girls and not men. The game needs all the help it can get perception wise, and frankly speaking, IMHO, ESPN is not helping with a game that is played in an empty stadium, especially when they have live feeds to the other matches like Bayer Leverkusen-Dynamo Kiev, Liverpool-Olympiakos, Depor-Monaco, etc. knowing full well that those games are equally as important. You have an option to watch more games...we here in the states don't. So you obviously have no idea what we here face when it comes to watching Champions League games. In short, footy fans are fed crumbs.

    Well good for you. But to for us mere mortals on Earth who actually watch from only one tv (what do you do with the rest of your life with all the telly sets lying around...hmmm???pray tell), its totally irrelevant to think about people like you who turns down the sound and watches 3-4 CL games simultaneously.


    I have no idea where you are going with this....are you asking how i watch 3-4 games if I myself was at a stadium??? You figure that one out.

    Or are you merely trying to explain how YOU can watch3-4 games at the same time (like i cared) with all your equipment and VCRs, DVRs blah blah blah. Well, I certainly understood the part of stadium atmosphere meaning absolutely nothing to you...which IMHO, makes you an idiot. But of course, thats just my opinion, so of course you are entitled to your own. And the earth is flat :rolleyes:

    See above...regarding good for you,...but how I could care less how twats like you watch games, much less the equipment you use to do this.


    Well nanny nan na na nan....

    But tell me why a person like you, who CAN watch other Champions League games, egg on people on this board who are disappointed in the choice ESPN made with the one and only game that they will show in the week, let alone month of December?? Just how would you react if you wanted to watch your beloved Rangers play and instead get told that the network will show East Fife against Albion!?!!? Me thinks you would be a bit bitter...just a tad.

    And if you are trying to tell me we are unknowledgable football fans here, when there is FoxSportsWorld that shows EPL, Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Liga Argentina, Campeonato Brasiliero, and Libertadores as well as GOL TV that shows UEFA Cup, La Liga, Seria A and countless other south american leagues, then I would argue we have more access to football leagues from around the world than you can ever imagine. Sue us if we gripe about ESPN having rights to Champions League games and screw footy fans in the North American market.


    Now go troll in another thread...preferably the one that gripes about Rangers losing to AZ Alkmaar. :D
     
  20. Visca...

    Visca... Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    ATL
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    aaaaaaaaaaaaand you got served!!! Was that a technical knockout or just a knockout? Could he continue the fight? I'll go with just a knockout. KO!!! :D
     
  21. Visca...

    Visca... Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    ATL
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Because that's all he does on bigsoccer. Complains that we complain. He is as much a whiner as we are. You know how it's said that God gave everyone a special gift. Something that not many people do and that you do it the best? I think "complain" was God's gift to rangers00. :D
     
  22. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    So you think the Depor-Monaco game will have an electric atmosphere?? Why don't you blow $500 and fly to La Coruna tomorrow. I promise you won't have any trouble finding a ticket for that match. But unfortunately you'll be greatly disappointed with the atmosphere.

    Face it guys. No game is more intriging than the Roma - Madrid match. If Leverkusen or Olympiakos crash out of the CL nobody will even remember 3 months from now.
     
  23. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Why not? Here is what I give you: the crowd atmosphere is NOT part of the appeal of the game, when it's a TV broadcast. How is that?

    Well, you get fed off by the roar of the fans, I don't. Now what?

    Not at all, now what?

    So you can't argue that atmosphere can be irrelevant to some people, then you have to lump W/L into the irrelevancy? See, logic is not your strong suit...

    So you would refuse to watch a Juventus or Lazio CL games? Why not? crowds of 6000 is almost like a closed-door game? or would refuse to watch wild feed of the CL games from BT (that has almost no audio)?

    See, when you must set the requirement of linking the game to the crowd, it would prohibit yourself from enjoying many of the games available. How does that make you a fan when you artificially set up certain criteria to rule out some games to watch?

    Why is "promoting the sport" an issue? It has long been argued in this forum that CL is NOT worth promoting in the American market. Again, this is another deviation from you and other whiners who always want to revive the topic "ESPN sucks, they don't broadcast enough CL games to my liking..."

    Again, ESPN is not here to help this competition. ESPN is broadcasting the CL on ESPN2 only because of a contractual obligation. If they don't, they can't own the CL rights in America to make all these profits in sub-licensing as well as launching their new channel (ESPN Deportes). And the sub-licensing to the niche channels (Setanta, DFH, TeleAntenna, etc.) are not meant to cultivate an American audience, but to squeeze money out of the expats (who are already CL fans).

    You are trying to revive the "CL should become mainstream spectator sports in the U.S."?

    11 games from the last matchday were available in the U.S., thru BT:

    - Man U x Lyon,
    - Real Madrid x Leverkusen,
    - Bayern Munich x Maccabi Tel Aviv
    - Bremen x Inter
    - Chelsea x PSG
    - Milan x Shaktar Donetsk
    - PSV x Arsenal
    - Barcelona x Celtic
    - CSKA Moscow x Porto
    - Monaco x Liverpool
    - Juventus x Ajax

    Please tell me you have no clue what BT is, how to watch these games on a TV, or how to have some of the non-ESPN2-broadcasted games on "separate" VHS tapes during a matchday before you come home from work, so that you can watch different games simultaneously from two different VCRs...

    Yes, I need someone like you to show how you guys are not real fans of the CL. You only know about ESPN2 and nothing else...

    So you are fed crumbs, you settle for crumbs. You never think about going out to get a gourmet? In other words, you get what you are fed. I get what I want to watch, i.e. 10+ CL games.

    Long figured out. You can't. That's why I don't watch ball games in the stadium. I watch ball games at home, 3-4 simultaneously.

    Right, your opinion is like the earth is flat...

    I mean, who is more idiotic? one who complains that there isn't enough CL games in America but refuse to look for alternate ways to watch the games?

    1) Because if I CAN watch other Champions League games, so can you. If you aren't, it's only because you are ignorant and lazy.

    2) Because that's my biggest hobby, actually more enjoyable than watching CL games itself. Egging on you whiners, who continuously complain about ESPN's ignoring of a content that has no market in the U.S., yet constantly whine about that for 4-5 years...

    Not at all. Rangers was a team I was crazy about 30+ years ago, but right now my #1 team is Chelsea, also a team I started supporting during the Peter Osgood/Alan Hudson/Peter Bonetti era. I don't have that much passion on Rangers anymore, because Scottish soccer sucks.

    And there hasn't a Chelsea game that I miss this season, except the Carling Cup game against Newcastle. Notice, I don't live in the U.K. or Europe, yet I still have ways to get games to watch. You, on the other hand, whine...

    I won't sue you, I'll just bash you. You should be glad that now you are the newest victim. How's that?
     
  24. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    See, you finally find an ally, huh? Does it feel good when your whining camp is dwindling down?
     
  25. Visca...

    Visca... Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    ATL
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    :D
     

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