More importantly, under Gregg, Zardes has goals/assists against Ecuador, Chile, and Canada. If he was to be the 3rd striker on the WC that wouldn't be bad.
@rgli13 posted the following in response to my post about Sargent needing to be passed by someone else: “i just cant my head around the reasoning of anyone having to catch up to/overtake sargent. and even if that did hold water, well, hoppe just did it.” If that’s not claiming that Hoppe’s proven more than Sargent, then tell me what it is, champ.
Since no one answered my question here is this big pool of forwards: 1) Siebatcheu (playing in the Swiss League) 2) Dike (playing in MLS) 3) Hoppe (playing in BL2) 4) Rubio (playing in MLS) 5) Zardes (playing in MLS) Feel free to add. Sargent is a lock.
You conveniently didn’t highlight the part where he said overtake. If you want to cling to semantics, then more power to you, but please drop the condescension toward me for interpreting @rgli13 as believing that Hoppe has proven more at club level, especially when his entire post was dedicated to the idea that Sargent has done nothing to deserve starting over anyone else.
im pretty sure ive consistently used the term produced, not proven, but i do tend to ramble on. so ill ask- why is scoring 5 goals on 5 matchdays more valuable than 6 goals over 4 matchdays (3 of those in a row)? is a multi-goal game somehow a negative? im asking. whats the logic behind sarge spreading his out (though he did score in 3 straight at one point, as well) over the season being somehow "better"? trying to minimize hoppe by dismissing his production as a hot streak is nonsense. sargents 3 game run was like the 50th start of the sure-to-come breakout that weve all been hoping for for three years. again- i get it. sarge got the jump on the other guys (p-funk excepted as he wasnt a us player at the time he first "broke out"). but it seems as if a lot of people refuse to reevaluate that position in light of new evidence. thats what doesnt make sense. of course sarge was the big hope- things have changed. theres other guys now, and theyre showing more than sarge has (certainly is). "dropped" is a tricky term- no one (including me) is saying sarge is done, should be out of the team forever. but by definition yes, i think he should be dropped while dike and p-funk and hoppe get some run. he could work his way back into the picture, others could be just as underwhelming as he has been or some combination of the two. but saying, "nah, hes the guy- i already decided" is just asinine. and i see you saying others should get a shot, @theboogeyman, im talking about this in general. but you are saying its his spot to lose, and i disagree. well...i disagree that should be the case, i should say. berhalter seems to share the opinion, which i guess is all that matters.
well, theres 6) sargent (playing in bl2) that applies to sarge, too right? or should we just continuing to assume his success rather than going on whats actually happened?
If only gio sqaured that ball to wide open josh Sargent we’d have some posters who have issues judging the player pool not post so much about him. Ah well. also, Johnny cardoso unused sub today. Let’s hope those that included him in a 23 remember his WCQ performances.
The issue with Hoppe unlike Sargent is Hoppe has no history of scoring at a high rate in the lower levels. Sargent scored 7Gs in 12 matches in the 4th tier while Hoppe only managed 1G in 16 matches in the same tier. A 12+ G season in BL2 would tell us a lot about Hoppe's potential.
Lets see if anyone picks up Sargent for $9MM or Hoppe for $6MM which appears to be the clubs' asking prices.
Entirely so, but I believe Berhalter would slide in Pulisic or Reyna into the hole if it was between Weah and someone like Lletget, etc. I could be wrong. But that’s my projection.
He’s not even close to my 23 right now. And outside of his two recent goals, I see him only getting in if others crap the bed.
(responding to both posts) i mean, who cares how you did in jr high once youre in high school? that speaks more to familiarity and (understandable) bias for a player that has produced at youth (or lower) levels than it does for current/future ability. as for future transfers or not how do you even factor that into an argument? if sarge is sold for whatever amount to frankfurt and scores 5 in 1000 minutes is that better/worse/equal to hoppe sticking at shalke and getting 10 in 2000 min? or vice versa? what does a teams belief in a player (re bringing them in) matter if the player doesnt produce? ...not the best example, for sure , i just dont know that being transferred is a big point in someones favor in and of itself. at some point you have you perform.
If Hoppe is counted as B2 then Sargent is B2. W/re to Sargent what is the reasoning that 11 goals in 4100 minutes of B1 action makes him a lock? That's 11 goals in 46 games worth of minutes. That's horrible for a striker. He's playing in the B1. So what? The others can also not score in the B1. Failing at a higher level doesn't make the player better than others. And his international record is weak. Hoppe has 6 goals in 1300 league minutes. Siebatcheu scored 3 against Leverkusen. Zardes's international record under Berhalter is much better than Sargent's
I think you could be right, but as I said, I think he might take a more talented player like Clark for Weah’s spot, even if that other player isn’t a right winger like Weah. it’s an interesting discussion because we actually have real competition for spots, and I think we are going to have some guys who would’ve been starters at previous world cups who don’t even make the 23 this time.
Hoppe and Sargent are both in BL2 as of right now. Wherever they are once the season starts they will have to produce, however you define produce. In your example I would value Sargent's 5Gs in the Buli over Hoppe's 10Gs in BL2, all other things equal.
Holy cow, there are probably 5 strikers who have a legit shot at being included in the 23. None have done tenough to claim a spot and each has backers and an argumnet can be made to include them. I want to see Dike (he may not be the best) simply because he's fun to watch and I want to see him knock over defenders.
I don't know if you're taking the proverbial piss here, but I agree. Zardes keeps Zardesing, year after year, even after injury recovery. I think he may be a few steps away from the full team post-GC as of now, but he could get back in the picture this summer. If he's not on the final GC roster, then I'd say Berhalter is done with him, barring something crazy.
Technically he hasn't played there yet. He seems likely to get a transfer to a BL1 team. Dike might be transferred soon too out of MLS. The original list forgot: 7... or is it 17? - Altidore (not playing in MLS)